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yiazmat50112254
Joined: 26.08.2017

i wanted to play 100 6 max hyper turbo sng's with a buy-in of 11$.
of course it was for grinding and for the fun of it. but i also wanted to know my ROI at a serious sample of BI's (i know 100 is still small but its something) and i liked to see which are realistic expectations of both varince and win/cashes. so i tracked several things.
here i'll share the results and the data:
(W=win[38,06$] S=second [25,36] L=loss [0])

1: W
2: W
3: L
4: L
5: S
6: L
7: S
8: L
9: S
10: L
11: S
12: L
13: L
14: L
15: L
16: L
17: L
18: L
19: W
20: W
21: S
22: W
23: L
24: L
25: W
26: W
27: L
28: L
29: W
30: W
31: L
32: S
33: W
34: L
35: L
36: L
37: W
38: W
39: L
40: S
41: L
42: L
43: L
44: L
45: W
46: L
47: L
48: L
49: S
50: L
51: L
52: L
53: W
54: W
55: L
56: L
57: W
58: L
59: L
60: L
61: L
62: L
63: W
64: L
65: L
66: L
67: L
68: W
69: L
70: W
71: W
72: L
73: L
74: L
75: L
76: L
77: L
78: W
79: L
80: L
81: S
82: L
83: W
84: W
85: W
86: W
87: L
88: W
89: S
90: L
91: L
92: L
93: W
94: L
95: L
96: L
97: L
98: L
99: L
100: W

here the profits and losses for each 5 sngs

1: + 46,48
2: -4,28
3: -29,64
4: +21,12
5: +46,48
6: +59,18
7: +8,42
8: +46,48
9: - 16,94
10: -29,64
11: +21,12
12: -16,94
13: -16,94
14: +21,12
15: -16.94
16: -16,94
17: +84,54
18: +46,48
19: -16,94
20: -16,94

here the profits and losses for each 10 sngs

1: +42,20
2: -8,52
3: +105,66
4: +54,90
5: -46,58
6: +4,18
7: +4,18
8: 33,88
9: +131,02
10: -33,88

here the profits and losses for each 25 sngs

1: +80,16
2: +67,50
3: -8,58
4: +80,20

here the profits and losses for each 50 sngs

1: +147,66
2: +71,62

and now the actual total of all the 100 sng's:

1: + 219,28

which means my ROI is close to 20%. just a few cents short of the 220

here the additional statistics:
longest win streak: 4
longest cash streak: 4
longest losing streak: 7
amount of wins: 28
amount of 2nd places: 10
amount of losses: 62

conclusion:
as expected, it seems there is quite a lot of variance in the hyper turbo SnG's. i had a loss streak of 7 BI's, twice of 6 BI's and a few more with 1 cash in between. i also got a lot of luck by winning 4 times in a row and another time 4 cashes in a row of which one 2nd place.
also a ROI of 20% seems like a good amount to me (if it's not feel free to mention)
another very interesting point imo is the win/cash ration and the cash/loss ratio. since the raw odds are equal to get 1st place or 2nd placeit seems like a massive difference to get 28 wins and 10 second places. i think it means that my HU play gets pretty good. however the flip side of this is that if i had the same amount of cashes but the wins were equal (19 wins and 19 losses) i would have meant my winrate would have dropped with 114,30$ making it an ROI of just about 9,5%. of course this is still profit, but it feels like it isn't as good as it could be, i assume it means my early stage strategy is in need of improvement.
maybe not related to the statistics, but i also felt like i made several unnessecary mistakes in the beginning of the challenge, however i quickly found and fixed them.
overall the challenge was fun to do and i think i have learned a thing or two from it


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

very nice
I did something similar years ago to try to get enough points to get some reward.

1 played 66 Double-or-nothings, and finished 1 game above break-even.
I got the reward though :coolface:

Cheers,
VS


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yiazmat50112254
Joined: 26.08.2017

thx :)

fun to hear about your similar challenge, good it worked out 4u :f_thumbsup:


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CptJokerFish
Joined: 06.06.2017

Even 2000 games are not even a close sample size for 6max hyper. You can have easily a downswing of 100 or even more buy-ins. Even if you play perfect.


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yiazmat50112254
Joined: 26.08.2017

thx 4 the information.

what sample size would you recommend then to get a decent idea if you're profitable or losing?


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CptJokerFish
Joined: 06.06.2017

Ok, I have written that 2k game are not even a close sample size for 6max hyper. That it is not even close is maybe a little bit exaggerated. Try to get a good EV-ROI.

Maybe bencb will answer, he has played a lot of 6max hyper sngs and he is/was a good reg.


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bookai
Joined: 13.02.2012

There is no way you can mantain that ROI in a large sample, not even the 9.5%, I guess. If you do, please coach me for profits!!! 2k games is an interesting number of games to analyze, 100 is nothing. Good luck on your future games and keep us up to date!!


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yiazmat50112254
Joined: 26.08.2017

Originally posted by bookai
There is no way you can mantain that ROI in a large sample, not even the 9.5%, I guess. If you do, please coach me for profits!!! 2k games is an interesting number of games to analyze, 100 is nothing. Good luck on your future games and keep us up to date!!

ok good to know, i'll try getting a larger sample instead and see how it's going with my ROI then. i'm trying out 22$ SnG's now but right now i'm into a downswing. but i'm only half way so maybe it gets better after, at least i hope so haha :)
thx and gl 2u as well


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