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1€ Spin&Go post flop AKs on rainbow TT4 flop

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bob368
Joined: 29.05.2019

Here is some weird crap I pushed today,

Table: 'Expresso(282485621)#0' 3-max (real money) Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bob368 (780)
Seat 2: DOCNOOR (720)
ANTE/BLINDS
bob368 posts small blind 15
DOCNOOR posts big blind 30
Dealt to bob368 [Kc Ac]
PRE-FLOP
bob368 raises 30 to 60
DOCNOOR calls 30
FLOP [Ts 4d Th]
DOCNOOR checks
bob368 bets 720 and is all-in
DOCNOOR calls 660 and is all-in
TURN [Ts 4d Th][6c]

No question it's bad, my question is: how the hell do you play this kind of board post flop?

Check-fold seems weak, Tx are definitely in villain range but probably not enough to fold two overcards?
Check-call, but what do you when the turn/river don't change the board much (6 & 2 in this case) ?
Check-raise, making the bluffs folds is probably not a great idea

Thinking about it, I'd probably either check-call one barrel then check-fold if I don't get a pair, that might be a bit weak though.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Shove is last thing to do... You just get most weaker hands to fold and most better to call. Probably weaker Ax calling is more likely than better hand folding. Also you are in position so no need to check-call flop at least :)

Basically there are two reasonable options on flop. Check as you have clear showdown value and 6 outs to improve or cbet small for value and equity denial. Small on this case would mean like 40 or so. Both lines has good and bad sides.

If you check plan is to call most turn bets and evaluate river. Unless sizing is big which can make fold reasonable.

But in general when you do make bet or raise postflop you should think if it's for value or as bluff. If you cannot tell which it is then it might be best to think of more passive option. There are of course situations where its not clear and it can be more of equity denial or that your range has advantage over villain range but going into that make no sense really at this point.

But of you think about your decision on flop in this hand from that view it should show clear problem.


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bob368
Joined: 29.05.2019

Thanks for the detailed answer.
I guess the fondamental issue I have right now post flop is not reevaluating the strength of my hand. That sounds stupid and basic.

Basically there are two reasonable options on flop. Check as you have clear showdown value and 6 outs to improve or cbet small for value and equity denial. Small on this case would mean like 40 or so. Both lines has good and bad sides.

Completely agree. I think I like checking even more at the BI I play at.

If you check plan is to call most turn bets and evaluate river. Unless sizing is big which can make fold reasonable.

How would you evaluate opponent sizing? I'd probably call under 3/4 pot without too much thought, is there a rule of thumb?

But of you think about your decision on flop in this hand from that view it should show clear problem.

I'm not sure I fully understand this part.

Thank you again.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Sizing depends on what turn card is. If it opens good amount of semibluff combos villain can have then you can call bigger bet in general. So 3/4 pot bet on TsTh4d4 is tougher to call than on 5d turn. Of course also earlier tendencies of opponent matters if there are some.

With last point I meant to think what your flop shove achieves in this hand. What stronger hands does it get to fold or weaker hands to call. This is sort of basic thinking process in all hands. Without it it's more or less clicking buttons without any real strategy behind.


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NaJeS
Joined: 30.07.2009

Your effective stack size is really big, it doesn't make sense to shove. I think is better to do half pot size bet. If the villian re raise I will consider to fold. I don't see this check-raise as bluff.


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