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[Closed] $6.50 QQ bubble w/ 2 ultrashortstacks

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LgWz
Joined: 26.05.2007

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$6.00+$0.50
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO (280)
BTN (205)
SB (11160)
Hero (BB) (1855)

Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25

Pre-flop: (700, 4 players) Hero is BB Q♣ Q♠
2 folds, SB calls 200, Hero ???

How often should I be pushing here? It kind of sucks to push QQ or KK, get called by A3o and lose, specially because doubling up doesn't really get me in good shape for the heads up (bigstack is way way ahead in chips).


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viewer88
Joined: 19.04.2008

wtf this is an insanely sick hand :f_eek:

I'm not sure if pushing preflop is the best play here... check preflop and go broke on every flop without overcards imo ^^


looserbaby79
Joined: 20.01.2009

Originally posted by viewer88
wtf this is an insanely sick hand :f_eek:

i like to ship it - if we only complete he can hit some draws or two pairs (he probably potcommited himself by CB)- so we are in the same situation like preflop


Maarten84
Joined: 22.02.2008

I am pretty sure any action involving hero going all-in preflop here is -$EV by a lot... I can't wizard for the moment, but pretty sure this will say the same if you look into it.

I even think it's a difficult decision with AA tbh.

Only thing you can do is hope to check it down until the river.


rhinoneil
Joined: 16.04.2008

-EV or not, i couldnt just check this down, might as well just give it up and sit out.
I shove this without a doubt.


Maarten84
Joined: 22.02.2008

Ok I have the wizard with me here... and I'm quite sure now that who does shove this has a pretty big leak and should look into ICM some more imo.

- villain limp/calls 50%--> -3.58
- villain limp/calls 100%--> -1.66
- villain limps 100%, calls 50%--> -0.38
- villain limps 50%, calls 25%--> -1.59
- ...

There is only one possible fact whick could be considered shoving here.. your chance for winning the sng does improve if you double up here.


looserbaby79
Joined: 20.01.2009

Originally posted by Maarten84
I am pretty sure any action involving hero going all-in preflop here is -$EV by a lot... I can't wizard for the moment, but pretty sure this will say the same if you look into it.

I even think it's a difficult decision with AA tbh.

Only thing you can do is hope to check it down until the river.

ok now when i am looking back at this hand i have to agree with Maarten - interesting hand


Very interesting. It's important that we are still a big underdog even if we double up, here. That's why I do not want to go broke. I just check behind and hope to check it down or go broke on boards where my QQ has very good equity.
Nash calls KK+ if he pushes 100% but we cannot rely completely due to the lack of future game understanding.


LgWz
Joined: 26.05.2007

Result:

No Limit Holdem Tournament
$6.00+$0.50
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO (280)
BTN (205)
SB (11160)
Hero (BB) (1855)

Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25

Pre-flop: (700, 4 players) Hero is BB Q♣ Q♠
2 folds, SB calls 200, Hero goes all-in 1,830, SB folds

Final Pot: 900

Hero wins 2,330 ( won +500 )
SB lost -400

won't happen again though :tongue: