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3 barrel bluff ok or not ok ?

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Thoughts on the bluff,i unblock flush draws so maybe QJ has some showdown value and possibly the 3rd barrel is a bit unnecessary and spewy ? villain can have some AK in mp i think but i target hands like 77-QQ to fold and possibly some AJ AQ diamonds athough i do block those and JJ QQ.And possibly 77-TT can fold the turn as i can still be value betting QQ JJ ott myself vs draws.Not sure if at 10nl villains have enough of a folding range on the river for this to be +ev long term.

Villain
30/20/3.5 over 149 hands.

Cheers in advance

iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (SB): €20.55 (205.5 bb)
BB: €19.79 (197.9 bb)
UTG: €10.00 (100 bb)
MP: €10.35 (103.5 bb)
CO: €11.46 (114.6 bb)
BTN: €16.04 (160.4 bb)

Hero posts SB €0.05, BB posts €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has Q J
fold, MP raises to €0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to €1.20, fold, MP calls €0.90

Flop: (€2.50, 2 players) 3 6 2
Hero bets €0.82, MP calls €0.82

Turn: (€4.14, 2 players) K
Hero bets €2.07, MP calls €2.07

River: (€8.28, 2 players) 4
Hero bets €16.46


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

why do we bet?
:diamond:  To get worse to call
:diamond:  To get better to fold.

I think that in a situation like this we need to be aware of our own table image.
Since we have a 200BB stack, our range widens, and (especially) we've been active and aggressive we need to expect to get called down with hands that would otherwise fold to a tight player.

So what worse will call?
(better question: what worse is there?)
What better will fold? <== Some mid pocket pairs but they would have folded the turn.

My vote:
The river bet seems a bit of a punt


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seanspurs87
Joined: 05.09.2012

Hi, this hand isn't in my range preflop, I would put in the muck against a 3x open from MP, unless we have specific info on villain, either folding to 3bet too much or we know we have an edge postflop.

On the flop, I don't think I would cbet (I would x/f depending on villains sizing of float bet) here as villains range is going to be heavily weighted towards overcards and decent pocket pairs most likely and not sure how much fold equity we have here. If flop gets checked back I would be going for the delayed cbet and river follow up line if I don't pick up any showdown value. As played, I would probably make it more of a standard sizing like 1/2 pot or maybe bigger. With your sizing villain is almost obliged to call with a large part of their range, that would possibly fold to a bigger bet. I guess you could argue for a cbet with the backdoor flush, but its not nutted and yeh we need a decent amount of fold equity.

On the turn, as played, I would x/f, villain may not be folding pocket pairs to one overcard and we didn't pick up any equity. On the river, I guess after the turn barrel it makes sense to bet here and the overbet is going to get max fold equity against pocket pairs or Kx that are not AK. Villain may have some busted flush draws, which would fold to a smaller bet, but there are probably not as many of those in villains range as pair type hands. So the river bet is probably the bit I like most about this hand, although I don't think I would have the guts to do this :f_o:


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Thanks for the replies so far a few things to point out I'm essentially not over betting because of the spr villain has to call 6+change.For the same reason because it's 100bb eff stacks it shouldn't change preflop ranges for either myself or villains calling range.


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seanspurs87
Joined: 05.09.2012

Ah yes, sorry about that, didn't look properly for the river.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

preflop is fine. it depends on your range construction, but i also 3bet this.
obviously, we are not thrilled about stacking with top pair, but later action will tell if we should.

this barrel seems fine enough, you block some fine calling hands such as KcQc KcJc QQ JJ, and no missed FD blockers.
giving up turn can't be really bad, it's never fun to be already potentially drawing dead, but if you are cbetting 100% range here then K seems to be a quite good card for us.


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

If I was villain, I would still call flushdraws and 88-QQ OTT. So I think the riffer bluff is fine.


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SkokE
Joined: 24.11.2007

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
Not sure if at 10nl villains have enough of a folding range on the river for this to be +ev long term.

IMO, without info is a very expensive and unnecessary pure bluff. OTF the board impacts better the villain call range - fold to cbet?. OTT when u lost the backdoor FD I think that the better option is resign the hand without info.


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