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QTs defend from SB - is not cbetting correct?

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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Quick question, is not cbetting here correct? I have nothing, no backdoors, almost no SD value.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 119.5 BB
CO: 44.5 BB
BTN: 176.5 BB
SB: 111.5 BB
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 162 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ Q♥

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ A♠ 9♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, fold,


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

I think you decided correctly! πŸ‘ The suitedness of the flop significantly lowers your fold equity, continuation bet would be a rather desperate bluff here in my opinion πŸ‘


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

I tend to cbet Axx or Kxx flops once I 3bet pre. I think I am getting enough folds to consider it.

Sometimes, I check/fold too though. It depends on who you are up against, imo.

Like, there are some nits in the game that won't fold PP even if you DB.


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

Your size is very small, 11bb preflop or a call, I mix.
As played cbet, I prefer check fold only if oppo has a folding very little or never fold...


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by pisiattu
Your size is very small, 11bb preflop or a call, I mix.
As played cbet, I prefer check fold only if oppo has a folding very little or never fold...

Do you decide to cbet here specifically because the Ace on the board?
I wonder if we bet here, how does our checking range look?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I would CBet because the A is solidly in our 3Betting range.
If you get called or raised, you can re-evaluate.
As played, good fold


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

Originally posted by monteCarlol

Originally posted by pisiattu
Your size is very small, 11bb preflop or a call, I mix.
As played cbet, I prefer check fold only if oppo has a folding very little or never fold...

Do you decide to cbet here specifically because the Ace on the board?
I wonder if we bet here, how does our checking range look?

Easy: I have not a checking range here


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

I Cbet every hand when I 3bet.
No matter what flop.. we have all the big pockets and a lot of Ax.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Well you dont really want to cbet any flop whole range but these sort of fairly disconnected Axx flops are good for small range cbet. If you turn some straight equity its decent hand to go for triple barrel also theory wise. Now this is NL2 and getting any Ax to fold might be way too optimistic assumption?


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by marcvz
I Cbet every hand when I 3bet.
No matter what flop.. we have all the big pockets and a lot of Ax.

I'd be surprised if that is a profitable strategy in the long run, since it would be a huge deviation from the balanced standard.
In the 2014 videos, W34z3l's propagates ~55% cbet stat in 3bet pots, although you could get away with 65%-70%.
Still haven't checked out his newer content on that, but I am planning to, soon.


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marcvz
Joined: 03.04.2012

Originally posted by monteCarlol

Originally posted by marcvz
I Cbet every hand when I 3bet.
No matter what flop.. we have all the big pockets and a lot of Ax.

I'd be surprised if that is a profitable strategy in the long run, since it would be a huge deviation from the balanced standard.
In the 2014 videos, W34z3l's propagates ~55% cbet stat in 3bet pots, although you could get away with 65%-70%.
Still haven't checked out his newer content on that, but I am planning to, soon.

I haven't seen this content.
I should look at my database to tell the profit I make with this strat.

But always wanting to learn.
So if you don't 3bet 100%, when do you Check raise, check call or check fold?

Maybe check folding Ax hands on low wet boards without a flush possibility for your holding?


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by marcvz
I haven't seen this content.

In case you are interested: https://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/33827/

Here are some of my notes on it:

The board from the hand above is somewhat drawy. I do not find a match in any of the scenarios covered in the categories above.


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It's probably a spot you can cbet range and the cbet only needs to be 1/3p and i would make it 10bb pre oop vs 2.5x.I dont really mind giving up this combo on the flop though and cbetting with a heart on the flop it gives you some extra equity to continue on turns.


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