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TT 4bet utg vs 5 bet butn shove

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Did i call it off too light here?
Zoom 50nl vs a loose aggro reg.

UTG (Hero): $50.00 (100 bb)
CO: $46.78 (94 bb)
BU: $229.84 (460 bb)
SB: $50.71 (101 bb)
BB: $61.28 (123 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to $3.50, 2 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $8, BTN 5-bets to $229.84 (all-in), Hero calls $42 (all-in)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Why you are 4betting so small out of position? I would most likely make it around 12bb if I would do this agains a aggro reg or plan was to induce a shove. In that case it's well played I guess.

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SDK1987


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

Probably better to just call and keep his bluffs. 4bet / call is overplaying it, you need serious information before you take such a line.


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Why you are 4betting so small out of position? I would most likely make it around 12bb if I would do this agains a aggro reg or plan was to induce a shove. In that case it's well played I guess.

Cheers,
SDK1987

The sizing was a bit small, it worked quite a few times during the session esp with some 4 bet bluffs, its not my usual play oop. I want to be honest i was a bit on tilt from this reg 3 betting me 20% on the butn at the time. I some history with V1 and felt ahead prior to calling but i knew it would be close. Initially, my plan was for V1 to flat the 4 bet and fold to flop, turn barrels given some prior history.

V1 jammed Ak offsuit and we ran it twice and they scooped both.


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Itsnevereasy
Joined: 08.08.2010

I think it’s fine to 4bet at a low frequency. Once you get 5bet, afaik it’s a mixed strategy. Also always folding to a 5bet is probably fine due to stack sizes and the fact that it’s NL50.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

I think this is a really badly played hand, even if the guy is a loose aggressive player you have a good call vs his range that consisits of hands like K7s, by 4 betting your strenghening his range, and given the fact hes sat with 400bbs, he seems to know what hes doing, when he 5bets hes not shoving all in here with a hand weaker than TT if hes a good loose aggressive player.

im guessing he had QQ-AA i thinks hes probably going to call your 4 bet with AK given the fact he has position.

personally i would prefer to call here like fanko said and keep all his weaker range in the hand, you can almost donk bet or check raise most flops to take down a nice pot.

What did he have?


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personally i would prefer to call here like fanko said and keep all his weaker range in the hand, you can almost donk bet or check raise most flops to take down a nice pot.

What did he have?

They had Ak off, we ran it twice and they scooped both


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That's to bad, but AK is most likely 1 of the few hands you beat pre-flop or villain is really aggro.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

-If you 4bet this it should be for value and if that's the case you should go broke.
-If you are 4betting as a bluff against an aggro opponent, you should not use TT and should use blocker AX type of hands like AJo or A5s.

a simple way to think about whether TT is good as a 4bet value hand is
1. is he shoving 99, 88 and maybe AT or random T9s type of hands? If yes, your TT has good equity vs his shoving range.
2. If he's often shoving 22-66, this makes 4betting 99 and TT even stronger
3. a simple formula is to take his average 3betting range in a positional matchup, then construct your value 4bet range.

For example if you're opening 50% in BTN and he 3bets 0.3X (15% range), I would typically be 4betting 0.4X of that (3% value which is JJ+, AK and 3% bluffs = 6%), 0.2X of 15% = 3% 4bet value range.
I think 4betting TT only makes sense in hyper aggro high stakes lineups when they are 3betting super wide and also rejamming wide (for BU vs SB)

In 98% of games it will be -EV.

I doubt your opponent is also 3betting you 15% in BTN vs UTG. You would need him to be 3betting ~18.5%+ in order for a 4b/call with TT to be good. Which does happen in Headsup (where they 3bet 20-25% usually) but not in ring game unless it's BvB perhaps.


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