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PLO25 AK86ds 3way 3bet pot, river stab?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

No reads on opponents really. Pre is standard and flop and turn I was just planning to x-f. On river I thought that I have no showdown value and two straight blockers of some sort and went for half pot to get fairly nice price for bluff. We can have KT but also some of the Q high straights. Weaker straights likely work better as check.

Game #1653341850: Table €25 PL - 0.10/0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 17:20:47 2022/03/22
Seated players
Seat 1: Daynerys (€34.83)
Seat 2: trojan119 (€0) (sitting out)
Seat 3: sn0wballing (€24.15)
Seat 4: seslongit (€25.35)
Seat 5: parelin (€25)
Seat 6: Sanial (€39.80)
Blinds and button
sn0wballing has the button
seslongit posts small blind €0.10
parelin posts big blind €0.25
Hole cards
Dealt in seslongit
Dealt in parelin
Dealt to Sanial 6♦:K♦:8♠:A♠:
Preflop
Sanial raises €0.85 to €0.85
Daynerys calls €0.85
sn0wballing folds
seslongit folds
parelin raises €3.25 to €3.50
Sanial calls €2.65
Daynerys calls €2.65
Flop 9♦:8♣:J♣: (10.28€)
parelin checks
Sanial checks
Daynerys checks
Turn 7♥: (10.28€)
parelin checks
Sanial checks
Daynerys checks
River Q♥: (10.28€)
parelin checks
Sanial bets €5.30


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

You are repping pretty much KT, all Q high straights would have straight on the turn. If turn was lower than 7, I wouldn't bluff river without T. But with that turn I think K blocker is a bit better than T, if we assume no one has Q high straight here.

Got me thinking, how wide/tight opponent's need to call on the river to make that +EV. There are a lot of opponents who would bluff catch there on the river on half a pot bet with most high 2 pairs in passive postflop pot. Any 2 pairs with K or T makes a decent bluff catcher.

Unless someone calculates that, we could do it tomorrow on PLO Primetime livestream. https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=403175&goto=firstnew


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tranceactor
Joined: 09.11.2006

I'd definitely stab the turn. By not betting twice he has so much less straights and his range has so much more overpairs that can't do anything but fold


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I didnt see enough blocker value in my hand to bet turn. Well we have almost no blocker value to be honest. No T or Q or high club. Well 6 does block lower straights but I dont think that is enough.

On river I am one that is betting half pot. Sorry if hh is hard to read.


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tranceactor
Joined: 09.11.2006

You don't need blockers in this spot. Villain almost never has a straight and he has a ton of overpairs to fold. A lot of villains will also cbet nutflushdraws. Exploitively you can bluffbet anything here


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Well I was more worried of third player range behind me but once he checked again decided to take that stab.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I would not bet turn without T in my hand.


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naDanje
Joined: 01.04.2007

Originally posted by Kyyberi
I would not bet turn without T in my hand.

i'd assume tranceator missed that we are multiway? - anyhow very interesting to me, would you always stab here holding T(you refer to holding T as making a low straight ?) / how big? for me as pure bluff would still be hard to find tbh if not for the low straight but as a blocker, maybe if we were holding TT instead of 86 i could see it, otherweise i fear i'd miss out on this spot almost 100% of the time and is it a big mistake if i do? (In case you mean we make a low straight its clear and likely i'd place my bet also)
Multiway for a pure bluff i'd still fear the calls from fds with 2pair/gutshots/trips etc, which where i play (plo2) people hardly let go off and i can only guess that on higher stakes that wouldnt be to diffrent? river seems totally fine after fd missed holding a blocker to the nuts, even without the blocker on plo2 i feel like this would be a good play.

btw, hope some1 sees, is there a way to transform a ggpoker hand into this format for posting here? i am still posting those silly screenshots


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

One option is to import hands to your tracker, and then post them.

Probably wouldn't bluff a lot in that spot on the turn. Some dry TT might be there, but half of rivers are bad or semi-bad for barreling and it's 3way.

I would turn the question this way: is this high +EV bluff spot or marginal at best?

If it's clearly +EV, should definitely think about doing or. Or if not doing, then starting to think maybe one should do it. If it's marginal at best, does it really affect your winrate for profits? And if not sure why it would be profitable (calculating combined FE for turn+river), there is a chance that the bluff is -EV. And repeating it will affect the winrate in negative way.


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