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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Thank you guys for your feedback, I am very happy about it.

For now I try to play 3x 50 min sessions which equals around 75 hours per month (~18k-20k hands volume) every evening in the timeframe from 5 to 11 pm.

In the forenoon I focus on studies:

- Session Review (labelling and note-taking at HM2)
- Video course (PLO from GroundUp at RIO)
- Range design (Preflop RFI´s with MonkerSolver)
- Theory reading + summarizing (The Poker Mindset)
- Range practice (either GTO with PLO Vision or my Gameplan)

I finished the RFI of PLO Vision so far:

Next week I will get monker solver and translate those GTO RFI ranges into more tight personal Gameplan ranges better suited for Low Stakes. I will study those and study the deviations from different positions to have no conceptual interruption in terms of hand categories. I will lay my main focus on Preflop play for this year.

Afaik PLO200 there will be an even bigger skill gap (no wonder since it´s the income threshold to play full-time professional for western wage levels) so I will give myself plenty of time to establish solid grind PLO100 before moving on. The plan is to evaluate my bankroll and skill level again at the end of the year. I hope to hit the 20k then to take some shots.

My bankroll management became a little complicated, since I not only play on 2 sites, I also do not want to have all my money on those pokersites due to contingency and currency risks (€ losing value against US-$ and there might be an economical recession in the next 12-18 months with high inflation and federal banks´ rising interest rates).

At the moment alltogether I have 119 buyins (35 buyins on GG and 39 buyins on Win2day and 50 buyin in reserve) to play PLO100. Since I am mixing PLO50 due to low traffic it´s more like I would play PLO75, that would be more like 158 buyin (it´s allowed to calculate it like this). The cash reserve is not included at the amount stated in the official PS bankroll challenge, since a term of condition is to account only for money that is deposited at the pokersite.

When I have managed to establish my new habits/routines, I will increase my daily session durations from 2,5 hours to 3,5 hours. At the moment I do not feel mentally prepared to play the volume I aim for but this is okay.

Finally, what I have learnt so far: Wow living as a professional poker player those up and downs can be quite stressful. The more bankroll, the less stress you have. I can remember the times where I tried to turn things around with a 35 Buyin Bankroll after things went wrong. No wonder that never worked out. The pressure you feel influences the whole decision making process. Having a Bankroll edge is the mental edge. No surprise, when you think in a way that peoples´ Bankrolls are competing with each other, in a longterm time-frame, 1 single bankroll will eat all other bankrolls. Poker still is a zero-sum pyramid game at its purest. And you need to continue playing, when things go bad too. You need to continue playing half-decent to get that flow of EV-bucks incoming and without bankroll your career as professional is basically over. Always keep enough assets in back for the stakes that are required to play (to make monetary progress while covering fixed expenses) and focus on establishing a solid continuous improving process off the tables including non-poker related leisures.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by Mascherano95

2: Villain likely rarely has nut fd at least with A+ as those are more likely using smaller sizing. Dry sort of AAxx should heavily prefer potting so there are good amount of those on drawy flop like this. Some less than Ax nfd combos might go for pot. I doubt we are making profit with flop call unless villain is pretty crazy or willing to overplay heavily. Turn is indeed call but on river its very optimistic to call even with those pot odds.

Sorry but your range perception is nonsense. As described villain is a maniac and I saw him going broke with 4-high flushdraws for 100bb+ in a raise-reraise scenario. I am wondering here if I should have folded otr or maybe shove turn? I don´t think I can get out here earlier with such a good combo draw.

You obviously know villain tendencies better but your hand is not combo draw on flop. Its just second pair with 2nd nut fd on flop. With some bd straight draw possibilities. Turn we definitely cant fold. If you had QJTx it would be combo draw on flop and we would definitely call. But these two hands are quite bit different. As default I would likely fold flop to pot bet but if villain is crazy enough I suppose its fine to continue. Issue though still is on how many turns we like to continue if he pots again? Hitting two pairs or even trips can still have decent negative implieds.

AAxx in overall has lot of reasons to pot on drawy flop like this. Whatever that is good portion of this player potting range I have no idea. But I just wanted to disagree that AAxx would rarely pot here gto wise. In general weaker the AA is more it pots. Then with support like bd fd, fd or straight draws it will be half potted more often.

Originally posted by Mascherano95

13: Again not fan of 3bet pre. This hand is likely not that great combo to barrel. Should we even shove river with AA or x-c?

Shove it. no hands bluffing at that line. Agree that preflop is clearly not a 3-bet.

Its not horrendous spot to bluff though SPR might be on low side for it. But 4 on river literally completes all the wraps. So if villain has busted fd he could bluff. Also issue in shoving river is lack of sets and strong two pairs in villain range. What is chance villain is not playing flop or turn as x-r if he has set or lets say A7, A8?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I am a bit confused for hand #2. In original hand it said "he is multitabling every day, I expected him to be a regular and use the GTO default sizing (pot, half pot)." and later he is maniac.

I would pot dry AA there every single time.


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

Maniac (54/34/12) with a moderate overall AF of 2

that would also be on a ranking with players i won't like to play HU like on my first place +2nd probably :f_frown:
wont even consider that a real maniac and more like maybe over lag as he doesn't seems to be completly out of mind


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Oh, all the hands are versus that player. Missed that.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
#2 ...

To the flushdraw I added 2 bd-straightdraws as a GS (both equal ~4 outs in terms of Equity).

I was not sure about the range, that is potting otf. But in terms of Equity there is not much difference to a 3/4 psb.

I do not agree with the negative implieds. If he is broking any flush (and maybe worse) my second nutflush would be nuts basically.

With the 2 bd-straightdraws I thought I have enough straightdraw redraws to continue but in hindsight a :Kx: or :Jx: is no real support indeed. Yes trips and 2pair is problematic, that´s the problem with calling playing mid-pair+.

Originally posted by ghaleon
#13 ...

It´s quite unlikely he would not raise :Ax: :8x: or :Ax: :7x: or better.

The hand is still misplayed imo since he calls down quite loose, I should have taken account for that before starting to barrel earlier on in the hand.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Gutshot on the flop has about 16% equity. Backdoors have roughly 4%. So two backdoors is just the half of gutshots equity.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Gutshot on the flop has about 16% equity. Backdoors have roughly 4%. So two backdoors is just the half of gutshots equity.

Yes ty.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Also a thing to remember is that witg gutshot you have that 10% chance to hit it on the turn. With backdoors you are drawing to hit a draw, meaning you never have it on the turn. Very crucial thing, if the are chips to play on the turn.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Also a thing to remember is that witg gutshot you have that 10% chance to hit it on the turn. With backdoors you are drawing to hit a draw, meaning you never have it on the turn. Very crucial thing, if the are chips to play on the turn.

Yes without position it´s harder here to continue.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I bought MonkerSolver yesterday but it seems like I do not have enough RAM on my notebook. :facepalm:

I have 16 GB. Anybody experience in the usage of MonkerSolver? Is it possible to use less memory storage by calculating shorter nods?

I´ve read that to use it for a full 6-max calc you´d need around 1 TB. Such a computer costs like 20k$ so doesn´t seem to be reasonable.

If I uninstall Monker on my notebook, could I use it on another third computer, since the license is for 2 devices max.

Questions over questions...


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

For preflop you need a lot of RAM. I have 256Gb, and I can do preflop with lower settings. Did you download Monker or Monker2? Monker2 is in beta phase, but very reliable and RAM usage is a lot lower. With 16Gb you could do some postflop, but you still need those preflop ranges from somewhere.


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Nunki
Joined: 25.10.2006

There is an awful lot that you can do with 16Gb RAM. I had 16Gb for a while, upped to 32Gb so as to be able run 5max50BB.

4 Max100BB PF sims are within your range and are not too dissimilar to CO+ in 6max. You'll be able to do tons postflop. The main thing is to generate some pf ranges and just get going. The resources are a bit scattered but once you have Monker set up it is really quick and easy to use.

HU SNG's are easily solvable with your 16Gb.

The way I set up my 100BB PF sims: 6 Max 504Gb (too much RAM for me), 5 max 73Gb, 4max 13Gb.

Good luck.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
For preflop you need a lot of RAM. I have 256Gb, and I can do preflop with lower settings. Did you download Monker or Monker2? Monker2 is in beta phase, but very reliable and RAM usage is a lot lower. With 16Gb you could do some postflop, but you still need those preflop ranges from somewhere.

Originally posted by Nunki
There is an awful lot that you can do with 16Gb RAM. I had 16Gb for a while, upped to 32Gb so as to be able run 5max50BB.

Good luck.

I am not sure, I bought it on this website for € 499,-: MonkerWare.com

I would not necessarily need it for preflop, if I could use preflop range templates. I hope I can simulate some common postflop scenarios (HU, 3-way).

I do not know how to use it though, becoming acquainted with it does not look easy to me.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

What a sick one..

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GG Poker - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $25.77 (51.5 bb)
SB: $43.75 (88 bb)
BB: $97.73 (195.5 bb)
UTG: $67.47 (134.9 bb)
MP: $49.21 (98.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $55.94 (111.9 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K♦: J♠: K♣: T♣:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50, 3 players) 6♦: 6♣: K♥:
BB checks, Hero bets $1.82, fold, BB calls $1.82

Turn: ($9.14, 2 players) 6♠:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.14, 2 players) K♠:
BB bets $6.86, Hero raises to $13.72, BB raises to $20.58, Hero raises to $52.37 and is all-in, BB calls $31.79

Results: $113.88 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 6♦: 6♣: K♥: 6♠: K♠:

Hero shows K♦: J♠: K♣: T♣:: (Four of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 64%, Flop 95%, Turn 3%)

BB shows 5♦: 6♥: T♦: 5♥:: (Four of a Kind, Sixes) :coolface:
(Pre 36%, Flop 5%, Turn 98%)

Hero wins $111.63


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

I do not know how to use it though

you can hit me up on skype whenever you want buddy


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Mascherano95
What a sick one..

Results: $113.88 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 6♦: 6♣: K♥: 6♠: K♠:

Hero shows K♦: J♠: K♣: T♣:: (Four of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 64%, Flop 95%, Turn 3%)

BB shows 5♦: 6♥: T♦: 5♥:: (Four of a Kind, Sixes) :coolface:
(Pre 36%, Flop 5%, Turn 98%)

Wow!


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Not easy to fold quads but that would be one of those spots imo. Can't really see anything else than KK to 4bet river :)


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
Not easy to fold quads but that would be one of those spots imo. Can't really see anything else than KK to 4bet river :)

Yes, I like me Turn-check too, it makes it even harder for him to fold. Since I would not get 3 streets of value from a pair the only card slowplay makes sense.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I am going to share some hand-histories marked as "For review":

Hand1: Villain is a loose aggressive regular (35/25/10 AF 2.5) I have like 300 hands sample. If he does not x/r bare top-pairs otf my my call is pretty bad I guess.

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iPoker - €1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

SB: €74.29 (74.3 bb)
BB: €186.54 (186.5 bb)
UTG: €176.37 (176.4 bb)
MP: €117.04 (117 bb)
Hero (CO): €232.57 (232.6 bb)
BTN: €101.11 (101.1 bb)

SB posts €0.50, BB posts €1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €1.50) Hero has A♦: 3♥: A♥: 3♣:
fold, MP raises to €3.50, Hero raises to €12.00, 3 folds, MP calls €8.50

Flop: (€25.50, 2 players) 7♠: 6♥: K♣:
MP checks, Hero bets €12.75, MP raises to €63.75, Hero calls €51.00

Turn: (€153.00, 2 players) 7♥:
MP bets €41.29, Hero calls €41.29

River: (€235.58, 2 players) 4♣:

Results: €235.58 pot (€2.00 rake)
Final Board: 7♠: 6♥: K♣: 7♥: 4♣:

MP shows T♥: 6♦: 4♥: 7♦:: (Full House, Sevens full of Sixes)
(Pre 40%, Flop 66%, Turn 95%)

Hero mucks A♦: 3♥: A♥: 3♣:: (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 34%, Turn 5%)

MP wins €233.58

Hand 2: Villain is unknown. Ott despite being 4-way I (semi-)bluffed using my Nutstraight blocker, 2 set-blockers, and both gs-straight- and flush redraws. What do you think about my fold otr?

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GG Poker - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: $30.07 (60.1 bb)
BTN: $157.50 (315 bb)
SB: $50.00 (100 bb)
BB: $6.81 (13.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $69.37 (138.7 bb)
MP: $65.69 (131.4 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q♥: J♥: 5♦: K♦:
Hero raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.75, 4 players) A♠: J♣: Q♦:
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($7.75, 4 players) 8♦:
Hero bets $7.75, MP calls $7.75, 2 folds

River: ($23.25, 2 players) Q♣:
Hero bets $23.25, MP raises to $56.19 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $69.75 pot ($1.00 rake)
Final Board: A♠: J♣: Q♦: 8♦: Q♣:

MP wins $68.25

Hand 3: The semi-bluff x/r might be quite marginal but villain (60/25/17 AF 2) had shown an aggressive tendency over 50 hands so far.

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GG Poker - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

MP: $196.37 (785.5 bb)
CO: $13.58 (54.3 bb)
BTN: $51.20 (204.8 bb)
SB: $24.21 (96.8 bb)
BB: $39.20 (156.8 bb)
Hero (UTG): $29.19 (116.8 bb)

SB posts $0.10, BB posts $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $4.35) Hero has K♦: 7♥: 8♦: Q♥:
4 folds, Hero calls $4.00, MP checks

Flop: ($8.35, 2 players) T♥: 6♦: 3♥:
Hero checks, MP bets $8.35, Hero raises to $25.19 and is all-in, MP calls $16.84

Turn: ($58.73, 2 players) 8♣:

River: ($58.73, 2 players) Q♠:

Results: $58.73 pot ($0.75 rake)
Final Board: T♥: 6♦: 3♥: 8♣: Q♠:

Hero shows K♦: 7♥: 8♦: Q♥:: (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)
(Pre 55%, Flop 37%, Turn 68%)

MP shows 9♠: 2♥: 4♦: A♥:: (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 45%, Flop 63%, Turn 33%)

Hero wins $57.73

Hand 4: Unknown villain. I think my preflop play is not mandatory but somewhat okayish with only 1 gap. I block the second-nutstraight but also on of my fullhouse-redraw outs. Check-calling or folding seemed not optimum.

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GG Poker - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $82.66 (165.3 bb)
SB: $49.50 (99 bb)
BB: $83.65 (167.3 bb)
UTG: $28.91 (57.8 bb)
Hero (MP): $121.38 (242.8 bb)
CO: $143.90 (287.8 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has T♥: T♦: 8♠: 7♠:
fold, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, BTN calls $1.75, fold, BB raises to $7.25, Hero calls $5.50, BTN calls $5.50

Flop: ($22.00, 3 players) 8♦: T♣: J♠:
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $16.50, fold, Hero raises to $71.50, BTN raises to $75.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.91

Turn: ($172.82, 2 players) 7♣:

River: ($172.82, 2 players) 8♣:

Results: $172.82 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 8♦: T♣: J♠: 7♣: 8♣:

BTN shows 9♥: 4♣: Q♣: 2♥:: (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 62%, Turn 80%)

Hero shows T♥: T♦: 8♠: 7♠:: (Full House, Tens full of Eights)
(Pre 56%, Flop 38%, Turn 20%)

Hero wins $170.57

Hand 5: Villain (40/20/5 AF 1.7) is unlikely to have a bot since I block everything but the deuce. On the other hand, I actually cannot remember any bluff-check-raise shoves on those stakes either. The only hand that beats me would be :Ax: :2x: .

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iPoker - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: €67.19 (134.4 bb)
CO: €57.05 (114.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): €51.95 (103.9 bb)
SB: €128.93 (257.9 bb)
BB: €77.25 (155 bb)

SB posts €0.25, BB posts €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 9♣: 3♦: 3♥: 9♥:
2 folds, Hero raises to €1.75, fold, BB calls €1.25

Flop: (€3.75, 2 players) 9♠: A♣: A♠:
BB checks, Hero bets €1.87, BB calls €1.87

Turn: (€7.49, 2 players) 3♠:
BB checks, Hero bets €5.61, BB calls €5.61

River: (€18.71, 2 players) 2♥:
BB checks, Hero bets €9.35, BB raises to €46.76, Hero calls €33.37

Results: €104.15 pot (€1.50 rake)
Final Board: 9♠: A♣: A♠: 3♠: 2♥:

Hero mucks 9♣: 3♦: 3♥: 9♥:: (Full House, Nines full of Aces)
(Pre 50%, Flop 58%, Turn 75%)

BB shows A♥: 2♣: T♦: 8♥:: (Full House, Aces full of Twos)
(Pre 50%, Flop 42%, Turn 25%)

BB wins €102.65


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