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KK on UTG vs BB, 4bet pot, 164BBESS, sick river

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

The villain looked to be a LAG.

GG Poker - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104.23 BB
SB: 103.71 BB
BB: 164.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 238.36 BB
MP: 210.35 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ K♠

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 9.54 BB, Hero raises to 22.5 BB, fold, BB calls 12.96 BB

Flop: (48 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 6♦ 7♥
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (48 BB, 2 players) K♣
BB bets 15.84 BB, Hero raises to 57.28 BB, BB calls 41.44 BB

River: (162.56 BB, 2 players) 9♠
BB bets 84.82 BB and is all-in, Hero ? ?

Thoughts?


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Infreed42
Joined: 08.07.2007

Im not a fan of the small 4bet. Xb on the Flop seems fine. As played its a call on the River. Only reasonable T is 9T.


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

AcTc and T9s are only Tx he can have albeit on low frequency. I'm not liking spot but dont see any reason for 'exploitative fold' there.


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Tamaseger
Joined: 14.11.2010

That's indeed a sick river card. But against a recreational player (so someone who doesn't think in ranges), it's possibly a good bluff spot. You got roughly 1:4 odds, so if you assume the opponent would bluff here 25% of the time, I would say call. Also the opponent can do this with hands you beat as he wouldn't assume a T in your range neither in a 4bet pot.


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Bigger 4bet preflop. Dont give him a prize to break your hand specially when you are deep. River is snap call for me. I am never folding here.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Flop seems like a pretty safe board to Cbet in a 4bet pot. 66-88 and T9 seems not to likely in villains range. This way you can shove most rivers after the K on the turn.

4bet sizing is small. I would make it around 27bb.

Now you get in a tricky river spot, but it's tough to think villain has a straight.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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LMcrow
Joined: 15.08.2006

4bet size is fine.

The flop and turn play is actually more interesting then the river(as played).

Checking flop is fine.

On the turn i actually think calling is better then raising.

And as played on the river, i dont think fold is possible for the price. If we raise turn for value in a 4bet pot with topset there is no folding anymore. ( unless we are super deep 200 + bbs and a T would be super likley. )


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Joined: 07.02.2009
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MartaiMrko
Joined: 02.02.2011

I like the 4bet size, the flop is always a bet(I would bet range), he shouldn't have a set in the range in this positions, 910s is not SQ very often, also I don't understand that stab on the turn on his part, If he's stabing - he should probably use polarized sizing imo, because he reps polarized in this spot(He's not stabing KJs, or KQs). It smells to me like some Ax of clubs(A5s,A10s,AJs,AQs..), also I'm calling river always.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Thank you for comments.

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GG Poker - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104.23 BB
SB: 103.71 BB
BB: 164.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 238.36 BB
MP: 210.35 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ K♠

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 9.54 BB, Hero raises to 22.5 BB, fold, BB calls 12.96 BB

Flop: (48 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 6♦ 7♥
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (48 BB, 2 players) K♣
BB bets 15.84 BB, Hero raises to 57.28 BB, BB calls 41.44 BB

River: (162.56 BB, 2 players) 9♠
BB bets 84.82 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 84.82 BB

BB shows T♣ A♣ (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 32%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows K♥ K♠ (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 67%, Flop 68%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 327.7 BB


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

Same there - preflop littlebit more, BB try to 3B some fluff 3B range.
All streets bet or rerise - turn rerise to ALL-in.
River - look like he had ATs, so it will be hard to fold and hard to call..


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MYLFF
Joined: 20.07.2022

At first I thought easy fold against unknown villain with so many value hands and not many bluffs in his range there other than missed FD's.

We do have top set here, so the only hands we are losing to currently are 5x and Tx hands. JTs is possible. ATs, 55 would even shove this river but wouldn't lead the turn. None of his hands that got there on the river would've led the turn and for such a small price. TT wouldn't have led the turn. There's literally nothing except suited hands that would've led that turn.

It makes no sense to me it probably is a bluff. Being so committed and the villains line not making tons of sense here and the fact players bluff a lot at NL100 I would say it's a call here. We only have to win 1/3 of the time to break even and I think we win about 75% of the time here tbh.

The 4bet sizing preflop being a bit deep even still is not far off from what I would make it which is like 25bb. Still super easy to be all in by the river most of the time.

Don't be results oriented I'm sure the villain shows up with the 5 or the T here but most of the time as played it's mostly a bluff or the odd time T9s.


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