PLO50 T976ds facing heavy action

It's interesting for a PLO fish like me why you are calling the 4bet without closing the action?
I would most likely fold. Especially when the 4better is almost all-inn.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Yes. In PLO online you will do fine if you just never cold-call 3bets or 4bets. It´s just producing rake basically.

Originally posted by Mascherano95
Yes. In PLO online you will do fine if you just never cold-call 3bets or 4bets. It´s just producing rake basically.

There must be some hands you could cold-call with — but then, if you thought it was that good, why not raise again?

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by Mascherano95
Yes. In PLO online you will do fine if you just never cold-call 3bets or 4bets. It´s just producing rake basically.

There must be some hands you could cold-call with — but then, if you thought it was that good, why not raise again?

There are but it´s such a small fraction that you do better by simplifying your strategy and fold 100% but AA. There are some very premium hands like AJTTds we could do that and maybe Hero´s hand aswell but we do not lose anything by folding since EV is fully depandant on our postflop edge and to perform well postflop we need lots of solver-training and also we should know villains preflop range and postflop tendencies quite accurately. Most importantly we need position on the player with the remaining effective stack. Cold-calling reraises kinda makes sense if villain is either a nit or a fish who continues in a very unbalanced way both pre and post. With position: the deeper we are the better. The mentioned AJTTds makes sense against loose players since we dominate those whereas we rather fold T976ds because we don´t want to play small SPR against double-suited Broadway stuff on the other hand there are plenty of nits where 4bet range is basically AAxx only so we can call T976ds to stack him (nits often overplay their overpairs at low spr´s). Against unknown or a solid player with a balanced 3-bet or 4-bet range I´d just fold.

5betting makes no sense since we are not pushing any Equity and players at lowstakes just do not 3bet-fold (obv. because their 3-betting range is so strong and AA-heavy at the first place) .. we are pretty much behind against most reraising ranges that should be very strong already. The EV against such ranges would be already negative even if it just to flat-call with better odds (just less negative than folding so we call to defend our openraising range). Without money invested ourself there is less reason why we stick around preflop. By defending this spot cold our whole plan usually would be to outplay villain at ~SPR1, quite iffy.. (but possible though if you know solvers´ play in 4-bet pots, your response to all the flop shifts and villains´ preflop range and postflop shoving deviations pretty well), but with basically no stack behind ip on the other hand having a player behind us last to act it does not make any sense to call because there is no edge at all that could be gained by potentially picking flops selectively and preflop like I said we are break-even at best against halfway solid ranges. Being oop even at SPR 1 is still pretty bad. With all the money in against BB we do not gain anything by outflopping Aces but lose a lot if we miscalculate BU´s tendencies.

Otf I mean we have to call that tiny shove at the same time folding against tons of semi-bluffs if BU decides to iso-shove over the top, this spot could have been avoided by thinking one step ahead preflop. I guess without flushdraw(-blockers) we´d be overplaying our hand coming over the top ourself. Not sure about it.

I think we might shove the turn though. Button has shown extraordinary amount of weakness (or strength if he is slowplaying a hand that is killing the whole board ) by checking back at such a big pot with such a low spr. Together with common tendencies of over-folding to turn probes you might just stick it in ott having some at least a few clean outs when being called. Air hands with over-cards still have decent equity against us and we can potentially get to fold a pair better than our pair of 7´s with Ten-kicker, that´d be great. Holding a naked Jack facing the shove is also tough if you having nothing else going on.

The river spot is highly player depandant, against a typical Rush-nit here at my tables it´s a fold for sure and a call against a Lag and against good regulars we basically failed the games´ theoretical objective since we are hold indifferent by villains´ shove at the end of the betting tree not the other way round as it should be. 3-way with 1 player being allin is a really interesting topic, on one hand his requirement for a succesful bluff ratio is lowered because for bluffing 1 opponent he gets 2 players´ chips but also bluffing ev is lowered by having to beat another random range that has showdown guaranteed. I´d be curious if bluffing a more marginal SDV hand makes sense and how much of our SDV hands would be actually going into our stack-off range against overly tight button shoves.

This is not really cold call spot as I have already open raised. I would not cold call though with hand like this (or almost any hand). I was pretty sure BB has almost always AA as he had been super tight. We are not ahead of AA obviously in HU pot but not much behind either (45% equity). If we 5bet and BU folds it would be investment of 28 for 66 pot so we need 42% equity. But yeah BU is not always folding but he didnt seem like player who would continue versus 5bet that much.

Obviously best case scenario is they both have AA or like AKK and AA. That would make us equity favorite in 3way allin. So yeah I think 5bet has some merit but of course issue is when BU has some ds rundown that dominates us and doesnt fold assuming hero and BB has AA.

Postflop I dont think neither player really wants to bluff turn or river as BB just has that AA extremely often and side pot is empty.

I would rather fold it preflop, there are not so much flops where I could continue with this hand.
If I hit one pair I now I am behind to both guys. If I hit FD it would be only low FD. So I could only continue with hitting low straight or low wraps - flop like 85xr.