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[PLO2] KKT2ds in HU

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Clearly no clue how to properly play this hand on this board.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm overthinking too many spots and leveling myself :f_cry:

No HUD at the table. PT4 says villain has a VPIP of 45 in 37 hands.

$0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 108.5 BB
BTN: 102.5 BB
SB: 52.5 BB
BB: 321 BB
UTG: 154.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ T♥ 2♥ K♠

fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Reasoning:

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So, the only thing that I could assume about villain's range is that he doesn't have AA.
Side note: at PLO2 and 5, I've seen people just calling with some AA even in HU. Some villains do it with AA+trash, some with good AA

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ J♣ 6♦
BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

Reasoning:

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Overpair, a fd blocker (should I consider that 2 a blocker for the str8 or just something between 6-3?)
Should I check back here vs a non reg player? My hand would hardly improve, but I think I have some blockers and I'm still ahead of his range.

After my bet, I'd say villain's range looks like

40%!AA!JJ and flush draws and str8 draws

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, BB calls 15 BB
Reasoning:

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At this point, based on his range and tendencies, should I stop betting?
Probably, at the time, I thought I was still ahead of some part of his range and maybe could make him to fold some hands that had a better equity than mine...

After his call, I'd say villain has something like

top2pair, top+bottom pairs, a made flush or a str8 draw.

River: (49.5 BB, 2 players) K♥
BB checks, Hero checks

Reasoning:

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No idea if I should try to do villain fold anything at this point.
He clearly doesn't want to fold :f_eek:

Result:

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BB shows 6♥ 3♠ 7♠ 9♣ (Two Pair, Nines and Sixes)
(Pre 44%, Flop 69%, Turn 78%)
Hero shows K♦ T♥ 2♥ K♠ (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 56%, Flop 31%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 46.5 BB


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Imo there is no such a thing like overthinking in plo since every spot has so many details to consider. Probably the problem is rather weighing those factors appropriately and not considering the main criterias that are important in certain situations. Applying logic, not being biased by monetary results and relying on mathematical concepts help to do better.

Just a preflop sidenote. KKT2ss is quite a marginal open. Please note that we do not openraise 100% of Kings from the early positions and solver shows many singlesuited Kings are open-folded. With the T-high suit I would rather fold this hand and start somewhere at KKT4ss from MP and KKT6ss from EP but openraising KKT2ss is fine from both positions with the suited King. BB is not supposed to 3-bet all of his AAxx against an MP open-raise but indeed almost all players 3-bet 100% of AAxx here.

Typical beginners mistake is c-betting too much on the flop to "protect" their made-hand. I check-back most of the overpairs in such a situation since we have showdown-value and as mentioned the hand itself has not enough value to start pushing equity. I mean we often have to bet more merged than solver but I would start slowly adding value hands that have back-up as a side-value. So basically we start value-betting with KK+flushdraw or KK+oesd+bdfd/gs/blocker. Things slightly worse are already pretty marginal without knowing our opponent is clearly weak-passive.

On the turn it is the same thing. The flush-blocker is generally useable to generate Fold-equity so we would bet against fit-fold type regulars or nits but again we do not turn our hand into a bluff if we have such nice showdown-value so turn is a check-back again.

On the river against loose opponents we might bring a thin value-bet with top-set if it got double-checked but as on this one where a straight is possible and as we got called once already we are happy to check-back and take the showdown with top-set since in a 2streets-betting game rarely something worse than the nutstraight would call leaving us value-owning ourself.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Solver folds this hand from MP. If it was suited to a King, it would open it. But it's PLO2, I would open all KKxx hands for sure!

On the turn we can see a tendency at low limits. People don't fold if they have outs to improve. Here opponent has 3 pairs, but I am quite sure he would call the turn with just 2 pairs anyway. In general, especially at lower limits, we make most of the money by value betting. Of course we make some money with bluffs, but our game plan shouldn't be (at least when we are beginners) to make a lot of barrel bluffs. As people tend to be sticky, we find ourselves often in spot where we sort of have to fire another barrel and at the same time we hate it cos fold equity is so poor.

On the flop the question should be "how often am I happy to bet the turn?". If he calls the flop, then pretty much any non-K turn is not that great for you. So often you need to either turn KK into a bluff or thin value, or check back. And once you check the turn, you often are a bit lost if opponent bets the river. Checking flop fixes some of these problems as most turns either change the board or open a lot of stuff. So opponent can't (at least should not) just blindly bluff on any turn.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

I play PLO2 too. I would thnking about fold. Not suited any K, dangler 2 suite to T, is more less zero.
In PLO2 I see lot of people call down 2 soft low pairs, str8 in FD boards. So one over pairs is nothing.
On the flop or turn you have only few outs to improve your hand.


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