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[PLO2] AJ87ds OOP in straddled pot

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Not sure if straddleD and straddleR are true poker terms, but for the lack of better ones...

straddled pot.
Villains are mostly unknonwn.
0 hands of the short stacker.
6 hands of the SB (straddler) - VPIP of 100 and PFR of 33.

$0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 208 BB
MP: 87.5 BB
CO: 10 BB
BTN: 127 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 149 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB, SB straddles 1.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4 BB) Hero has J♥ A♠ 7♠ 8♥

Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB
Thoughts

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I used to bet big (pot) in these straddled pots, but doing it as the first one to act pre and from the worst position postflop started to feel costly, in the long run.
Specially when I didn't hit anything on the flop :-/

What sizing would you use from each position? How the position of the straddler affects your range?

Guessing villains' range:

CO: 30%!AA!(AKK:Axx) - How would his stack size affect his calling range?
SB: 100%!AA!(AKK:Axx) - Some straddlers will fold to any raise, some will call to any raise in HU, some will call to any raise even multiway; Based on those 6 hands, I'm assuming this player would be the later case.

Flop: (13.5 BB, 3 players) 2♦ 5♣ 6♦
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
Thoughts

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Worst flop ever. Most of the rundowns and double pairs that I'd raise pre would miss this flop. So, apart from flush draws, I have the most vulnerable/weak range in this board.

I guess villains playing 30-100% will have a range advantage on this spot: more 2 pairs, str8s, sets and draws that I would have.

Guessing villains' range:
CO: 30%!AA!(AKK:Axx)!43!66; including flush draws and str8 draws
SB: 100%!AA!(AKK:Axx)!43!66; including flush draws and str8 draws

Turn: (13.5 BB, 3 players) 8♣
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
Thoughts

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Even worst turn?

Guessing villains' range:
CO: 30%!AA!(AKK:Axx)!43!66!97; including flush draws and str8 draws
SB: 100%!AA!(AKK:Axx)!43!66!97; including flush draws and str8 draws

River: (13.5 BB, 3 players) 5♦
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Thoughts

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Guessing villains' range:
CO: 30%!AA!(AKK:Axx)!43!66!97!65!55!88
SB: 100%!AA!(AKK:Axx)!43!66!97!54!55!88

Due the action, would weak flushes and weak str8s (such as A3) bet on this river?
I think they would play check/call.

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SB shows 4♣ 2♥ T♥ Q♥ (Two Pair, Fives and Twos)
(Pre 20%, Flop 31%, Turn 22%)
Hero shows J♥ A♠ 7♠ 8♥ (Two Pair, Eights and Fives)
(Pre 40%, Flop 44%, Turn 39%)
CO shows K♠ Q♣ T♣ K♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 40%, Flop 26%, Turn 39%)
CO wins 13 BB


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

preflop i defintely would pot.
co posts a deadblind and has 9bb left, like best case would be to get him isolated.
your straddle opportunities there look a bit unusual as in my games i think sb cant straddle but if im first in with straddle in early or middle position, i would pot.
co depends a bit on the btn, with loose btn, then just raise stong and big. but when could iso a straddler ip, like co or btn, then 3x is fine imo. although maybe especially at this very low stakes you just want go for strong hands to raise and raise big always to take down the pot immediatly in best case as often as possible

as played i think its quite fine, with no blocker or bdfd check flop, and turn as well. although sb checked twice, it could be considerable put the co allin. but its still too drawy and we dont block too much of it, so think checking and just try win the mainpot 3way should be fine. just shouldnt check fold against the co here.

river wouldnet bet with this setup as the mainpot is still kind of protected by the cos 4bb, who should call very wide. also would note that he played with 10bb his suited kings superpassive and tag the sb as fish. :f_biggrin:


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

you have to raise bigger preflop. When straddled I call more hands that´d be raised in a vacuum and marginal candidates with nuttiness that´d I open-fold but when I raise the dead money with a tight range I raise full pot.

flop is not worst, you still have a naked oesd but it is not good enough to start betting or calling in a bad position.

turn same story, you picked up a pair that might improve to some 2pair SDV and you also have some nice blockers to the possible straight but with multiple players involved it is not enough value/removal to invest money yet.

river is pretty bad actually. No value and without you can barely do anything but check-fold. Maybe you have more luck in another runout, just give up this one.


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