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Compare two JJ hands — both 4Bets pre-flop

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Yeah, yeah, I know that it is best to post one hand per thread, but these two hands are extremely similar, only position and opponents are different

Did I play these situations correctly?
I rather think that that in the second hand it might have been better to see a flop.
Let me know...

Hand #1:
CO is playing 32/20/0 (VPIP/PFR/3Bet) I am 26/20/13 (only 40 hands)
I 4Bet here just over 3x, with the intention of folding to a shove if necessary — partly since I would be playing OOP post-flop, and partly because I had observed CO's play and figured I would need to hit a set to continue.
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players

UTG: $25.00 (100 bb)
MP (Hero): $30.84 (123 bb)
CO: $65.00 (260 bb)
BU: $31.92 (128 bb)
SB: $25.00 (100 bb)
BB: $48.67 (195 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with J♣:J♥:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, CO 3-bets to $2, 3 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $6.55, 1 fold

Total pot: $4.35 (Rake: $0)
MP (Hero) wins $4.35

Hand #2:
BB is playing 48/40/9 over 50 hands, and has been splashy, getting aggro post-flop then exiting.
Here I go all-in pre-flop, since to 4Bet a smaller amount, would pave the way for BB to shove, and I would rather shove first.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 5 players

UTG (Hero): $32.59 (130 bb)
CO: $62.65 (251 bb)
BU: $29.31 (117 bb)
SB: $43.15 (173 bb)
BB: $25.87 (103 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with J♦:J♠:
Hero raises to $0.60, 3 players fold, BB 3-bets to $2.75, Hero 4-bets to $32.59 (all-in), 1 fold

Total pot: $5.60 (Rake: $0)
UTG (Hero) wins $5.60


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Hand 1: call 25.9%, raise 15.8% to 19BB, AI 6.6%, fold 51.7%

Hand 2: call 37.6% raise 10.1% to 25BB, AI 1%, fold 51.3%

I just adjusted the 4bet size in BB because the 3bets are in irregular sizes.

So that's what GTO Wizard wants to do.

But of course, you can use your read and you can also randomize your plays, that's what makes poker fun.


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cms81
Joined: 24.04.2013

Hand 1. You can mix between 4bing and calling however I will say if you are planning on 4b/folding then I would just pure call the 3b w JJ MP v Btn.
Hand 2. BB 3b size is a little bit small but not by much, I normally play pure call strategy in these positions with JJ and play the hand IP. I really think that by 4b jamming a marginal hand here you are only ever going to get looked up by better. Hope this helps.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
Hand 1: call 25.9%, raise 15.8% to 19BB, AI 6.6%, fold 51.7%

Hand 2: call 37.6% raise 10.1% to 25BB, AI 1%, fold 51.3%

I just adjusted the 4bet size in BB because the 3bets are in irregular sizes.

So that's what GTO Wizard wants to do.

But of course, you can use your read and you can also randomize your plays, that's what makes poker fun.

When I checked my pre-GTO charts, these were both calls.

Using Equilab, and using "standard" 3Bet ranges — plus suited aces in both cases:
Hand #1:
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    54.44%  54.18%   0.26% { JJ }
CO     45.56%  45.30%   0.26% { QQ+, AKs, AJs-A2s, AsQs, AJo+ }

Hand #2:
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    55.77%  55.55%   0.22% { JJ }
BB     44.23%  44.01%   0.22% { KK+, A2s+, KQo }

So I'm a bit curious about the GTO fold recommendation.
Is it possible to find out what range the solver assigns to an opponent?

As much as I hate the idea, it looks like I'm going to need to start paying attention to solvers.


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cms81
Joined: 24.04.2013

I would never be folding in both situations I would just flat the 3b in those positions.


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