JJ on HJ vs UTG, 4bet pot, 196BBESS

Hero's range should be AK, KK, AA, QTs & some busted flush draws on the river. So I guess it's a fold?

I don't think hero would play KK like this pre-flop. AA could be a slow play, but in general I would just stack off the turn with middle set. Only AA gets there. The river is really nasty, but I expect villain can easy have a better set. So folding seems reasonable. A straight seems unlikely after the 4bet pre-flop and call on the raise on the flop.

Cheers.
SDK1987

It's an easy fold..Over played hands are possible, like AJo and AcKc..Some bluffs? I can't see any..QQ? :f_biggrin:..Extremely unlikely...It's not enough for call, not even close..This is a set, almost always..

And another ugly question...What we will do in the same hand, if the river was 2♥: for example!?

Originally posted by RazDirk
Hero's range should be AK, KK, AA, QTs & some busted flush draws on the river. So I guess it's a fold?

I don't know if it's a fold, I'd widen the ranges a bit, Hero did 3bet on the smaller size, the regs seem to spazz vs Drifter. I'm calling off.

in my opinion in villain ranges the most sense have A:c K:c , KK+

Originally posted by jiffybag

Originally posted by RazDirk
Hero's range should be AK, KK, AA, QTs & some busted flush draws on the river. So I guess it's a fold?

I don't know if it's a fold, I'd widen the ranges a bit, Hero did 3bet on the smaller size, the regs seem to spazz vs Drifter. I'm calling off.

This reg is one of the top ten players on the C$ leaderboard daily. He is also one of the tightest players in the pool. I don't think you should call this off.

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by jiffybag

Originally posted by RazDirk
Hero's range should be AK, KK, AA, QTs & some busted flush draws on the river. So I guess it's a fold?

I don't know if it's a fold, I'd widen the ranges a bit, Hero did 3bet on the smaller size, the regs seem to spazz vs Drifter. I'm calling off.

This reg is one of the top ten players on the C$ leaderboard daily. He is also one of the tightest players in the pool. I don't think you should call this off.

One of the 12? They do bluff sometimes...right? It would only be AA or KK that beats you.

Originally posted by jiffybag

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by jiffybag

Originally posted by RazDirk
Hero's range should be AK, KK, AA, QTs & some busted flush draws on the river. So I guess it's a fold?

I don't know if it's a fold, I'd widen the ranges a bit, Hero did 3bet on the smaller size, the regs seem to spazz vs Drifter. I'm calling off.

This reg is one of the top ten players on the C$ leaderboard daily. He is also one of the tightest players in the pool. I don't think you should call this off.

One of the 12? They do bluff sometimes...right? It would only be AA or KK that beats you.

Yes, definitely one of the twelve elder nits in the game. One of the three chief elder nits.

5/21/2023, No.7 on the leaderboard, 25NL RC

but in general I would just stack off the turn with middle set.

@SDK1987 , what do you expect to see here? If you shove OTT and he call..We have a borderline shove , if he 4bet AJo every time. That deep..But we don't know that. He is a part of a field. We can't use 100% of any hand, except AA..I mean you can't use all the combos..When you make the calculation..In the reality some of them will 4bet with AJo, some of them not...Ajo is a call preflop. Most likely.. Vs this size..Some of them can fold..Unlikely..4bet from UTG vs MP 200bb deep means extremely narrow range. Mainly AA, sometime KK (not always) and the others hands are just "maybe", "sometime", "unlikely", "very rare"...
I think your shove OTT will be -EV..In a long run..With this action, stack sizes and board...Yeah, "middle" set, but second nuts doesn't mean much in some situations. AA is your main target here. But not anymore OTT...KK will fold obv...

When you 3bet vs UTG with such a small size, they almost never fold. Because they have only good hands and the price looks good. They don't have a folding range...But for 4bet bluff the people use hands from their folding range. He should use some hand from his calling range, for 4bet bluff. And this is very unlikely...You will see mainly AK, QQ+, sometime JJ. But when you are 200bb deep, QQ, AK are unlikely...You will see KK sometime, AKs sometime..It's mainly AA. Such a 4bet...If you play against the field. Some field..Well, it's different vs the maniacs. But only vs them..