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PLO50 JTT5ds value in river raise?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

CO seemed recreational playing too wide preflop but no reads on clearly overplaying stuff postflop.

From my side calling preflop seems standard with position and ds version. SS I would just fold. Flop went for half pot sizing which is normal for me multiway in position.

Turn went for another half pot blocking some draws as well. Mainly hoping villain keep sticky with overpair, draws or potentially has 9x. Kind of surprisingly he goes for x-r so either its some form of bluff, strong 9x or boat for most part. I would not really have 3bet range here being in position.

River is interesting improving A9 to boat. I heavily doubt villain would play 99 like this on flop. But he could have sometimes AA9x potentially. Kind of doubt T9 as well as usually these guys dont approach flops passively with that strong hands. So question is if we want to raise river versus this 3/4 pot barrel or does it start to be bit thin? I think its mainly A9 that somewhat reasonable player could call us. Mainly some AA9 we lose against. We have 105€ behind on river so SPR 2.3. If raising I would only use shove.

Game #1954997202: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 20:56:29 2023/09/25
Seated players
Seat 2: j0kesAside (€141.78)
Seat 3: Simomima (€127.48)
Seat 4: b1itc01n (€25.25)
Seat 5: TooTiiMaj (€50)
Seat 6: IbringUjoy (€179.54)
Blinds and button
Simomima has the button
b1itc01n posts small blind €0.25
TooTiiMaj posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Simomima T♣:5♠:J♣:T♠:
Preflop
IbringUjoy folds
j0kesAside raises €1.75 to €1.75
Simomima calls €1.75
b1itc01n calls €1.50
TooTiiMaj folds
Flop 9♥:4♣:T♦: (5.75€)
b1itc01n checks
j0kesAside checks
Simomima bets €2.87
b1itc01n folds
j0kesAside calls €2.87
Turn 9♣: (11.49€)
j0kesAside checks
Simomima bets €5.74
j0kesAside raises €17.22 to €17.22
Simomima calls €11.48
River A♥: (45.93€)
j0kesAside bets €33
Simomima?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would go for it. I doubt villain has AAx9 to often or quads. If villain has that it's a cooler I think as PLO fish.

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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

He need to fold almost everything to a reraise, expect AAxx or A9xx , but this hand only Velue Bet against 9Txx. Nothing els in our range. I think Its thin to reraise. Against a Fish overplaying hands i would go broke


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Plompoker
Joined: 08.12.2011

Difficult. I think I'm getting it in here. I do agree that calling turn is probably best because we're IP. If we have a specific read villian is a donk I don't mind getting it in there already.

I don't think he ever has 44 or 99 here given flop play, so that leaves AA which I think is a cooler. If he ever pays you off with A9xx we're missing a lot of value by just calling.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Betting half-pot otf is fine, I personally bet 3/4pot on this texture. But 2-barreling half-pot again is too timid imo. I guess you have a 2-sizing strategy on the turn? If you have that, you should pot the turn imo, since you gotta catch up pot-building with your handstrength. I personally bet 3/4 pot only again ott on lockdown cards like a pairing card oop in SRP (default 2barrel full pot on blank turns oop).

I also do not like the turn bet-call. we unblock the :9x: and block the :c flushdraw. Our hand is also a little too weak to slowplay since some river overcards might improve an overpair to top-full too. Playing fast bet-reraise is the better play.

I think raising the river is marginally better than calling ... considering generally straightforward river tendencies we are not running danger gettin exploited by some totally insane bet-reraising bluff-shoves so we can try to max out value relatively safe. Against a recreational im raising like 1/2-2/3. Facing a shove in a more deep spot it would be a hard one, not folding against bad players if they have any aggressive tendencies, that´s for sure but I´d consider folding with an AF lower than 1.5 or a nutpeddling note. A story of :Ax: :9x: having trips with top-kicker improving otr makes sense and is very likely to overplay and pay off.

Adaptions against solid players:
I think minraising is okay too if you think villain is tight-reggish but sometimes they level themselbves into a call against bigger sizings anyways so I´d size it up a little higher than minimum anyways. As a default I would raise-fold it half-pot as this is most likely to still get value from all fulls. :Ax: :Ax: and :9x: :9x: quads we can somewhat neglect combinatorically but ofc it is not impossible, especially a passively played :9x: :9x: is a real danger against players with solid handstrength awareness but in the end not more likely than the :Tx: :9x: full and against nits and tags quads and top-fulls are the only hands that reraise shove so with reads we have quite an easy decision here.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Turn bet could indeed be bigger with clear polarity advantage. But I would still mainly just call or fold versus turn x-r. Main issue with 3bet is that any bluffs will shutdown. Well depends on opponent as well if we can assume bluffs or is it pure value. Plus what they think of our 3bet even if it's small. Point being it looks extremely strong. So how much will villain continue with hands that would not barrel river most of time anyway?

I would not be that concerned of protection as basically villain always has less than 10% equity. Sure he might hit that but he might also improve to boat with some 9x and end up giving more value that way.

In this hand I shoved river and got a snap fold. Might have been bluff or value as river raise in this spot is just very strong.


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