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PLO25 A765ss 3way 3bet pot, shove turn for full equity realization?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

CO has been opening actively. SB seems reggy but potentially 3betting too wide mainly based on frequency.

Preflop is standard with perfect side card connectivity. Flop is obviously really nice and I go for half pot stab. SPR is around 5 with SB and 2 with CO. I would use half pot mostly or perhaps only as that allow better use of positional advantage.

Turn bring A and SB went for snap pot lead. Not sure if we should read into that and in what way. I would think its perhaps making made hand bit more likely? SPR is around 1.7 vs SB so I think we should perhaps just shove. Well I mean there are some rivers where we can fold most likely. Villain range is imo AQ, AA and some combo draws for most part. I doubt he is calling dry AA on flop though but could be with bdfd or some other component as support. So basically I think we can fold on lot of those high non clubs like K, J, T, 9. But yeah river SPR is only 0.25 so are we really ok to fold on much else?

So that made me wonder if turn shove is best play to make sure we dont make bad folds on rivers.

Game #1984179885: Table €25 PL - 0.10/0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha - 21:00:14 2023/11/13
Seated players
Seat 1: K_Koira (€60.04)
Seat 2: Alalls (€0) (sitting out)
Seat 3: Hxulan (€29.05)
Seat 4: detox4 (€42.27)
Seat 5: popper1 (€25.48)
Seat 6: Mariasa (€56.81)
Blinds and button
Mariasa has the button
K_Koira posts small blind €0.10
Hxulan posts big blind €0.25
Hole cards
Dealt to Mariasa 6♠:7♥:5♣:A♣:
Preflop
detox4 folds
popper1 raises €0.85 to €0.85
Mariasa calls €0.85
K_Koira raises €3.55 to €3.65
Hxulan folds
popper1 calls €2.80
Mariasa calls €2.80
Flop 6♣:Q♣:8♦: (11.2€)
K_Koira checks
popper1 checks
Mariasa bets €5.60
K_Koira calls €5.60
popper1 calls €5.60
Turn A♦: (28€)
K_Koira bets €28
popper1 folds
Mariasa calls €28
River 6♦: (84€)
K_Koira bets €22.79, and is all-in
Mariasa calls €19.56, and is all-in


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

Well played, but i would put it in on turn


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Just shove turn, not a fan of hero folds with 2 pairs.

I was thinking the flop, our straight draw is dominated as 9 doesn't give us nut straight. So even if we make the straight to the bottom, there are still higher straight draws possible, making bottom straight vulnerable. We have about 11 nut outs, as 8c might give K_Koira a boat. Also Q86 is a board that hits quite many hands, so FE isn't that great for bluffing. And I don't think we can purely valuebet with 11 outs.

Due to problem of bottom straight I would lean to check on the flop in multiway pot. Versus 3bettor SPR is 2 and versus the other caller it's 5. We could still get a lot of value if we make the hand.


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regie
Joined: 06.03.2008

I would also check flop Probably . I missread the hand.

I think when You Bet flop You should choose a Bet size that make fold Some better 2 pair type hand like AQxx and decrease his range to Draws


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

SB is one with deep stack and CO with SPR 2. I think CO has lot of incentive to just pot fair amount of range that connect well enough. That will put me into tough spot with lot of mediocre strong hands as I am still deep vs SB. SB on other hand should check huge amount of time thus including also strong stuff as trap. I think checking range cant be that bad for SB.

Because of above I would expect CO to be mainly folding. SB can continue fair amount of time but squeeze range still has lot of stuff that should just fold. But yeah it can be marginal on flop.

Well this time villain had

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KJT5ds with 2nd nut fd and no diamonds. I like his postflop play quite a bit as he basically cant x-f turn so why not use very good card for him and try to create fe. Preflop squeeze with 5 dangler though seems too wide. But yeah this time 9 was not out.


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I dont like it. Maybe 3-bet from position if we want to play this hand. Now calling a 3-bet after a pre-flop opener is not good. And what we got? A fucking nightmare. Nut flush draw with a few blockers from a real straigth draw. Horrible. And why the spoiler is like that? I´m pretty sure that k-koira had KKAdd.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

CO is active player as you said. Usually they are a bitö sticky postflop, as they are seeking action.

I like the call pre. If we don't have FE for 3bets, these hands are exactly the ones that turn to call instead of 3betting. PLO 25, average opponent doesn't fold to 3bets. Especially an active one.


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Originally posted by Kyyberi

I like the call pre. If we don't have FE for 3bets, these hands are exactly the ones that turn to call instead of 3betting. PLO 25, average opponent doesn't fold to 3bets. Especially an active one.

What does the solver say?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Exactly that, if opener never folds to 3bet. Axxx with lower cards are the ones that first turn to call, as bigger portion of their value comes from the FE.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I doubt solver is 3betting ss combo of my hand anyway but call on BU should be fine even in high rake game. A765ds would be 3bet solver wise but indeed not bad to call either. But its also nice hand in 3betting range for those low board coverage reasons. When we face squeeze my hand play ok in this spot as its rarely dominated by squeezing range. Well obviously he has lot of Axxx with higher cards but its not like we are going to continue with plain top pair. Can of course bring some tricky spots on flop like AT7 etc. where we kind of have to continue versus cbet. Not a great spot by any means when facing squeeze but call is imo better than fold.


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