GTO Wizard vs Postflopizer – GTO Experts please!

27.11.2023, 16:06 0

I'm testing/comparing Postflopizer and getting confusing results.

It started with defending AKo oop vs. a 3-bet
Flop 922 rainbow

GTO Wizard: Check 100%
Postflopizer: Bet 100% of the time

Because this result was so confusing I am right now in the process of comparing multiple hands. I do not have a Wizard subscription but I have YT. Therefore I'm watching some GTO Wizard hand analysis and compare the results with Postflopizer.

Have a look:

Wizard wants to check 54% of the time

"Aggro" Postflopizer wants to bet 100% of the time

What am I missing?
Why do I get such different results?

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hazelasty

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27.11.2023, 16:27 0

Are you sure that your game tree is identical?

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_Anonymous_

27.11.2023, 16:37 0

We are on the flop. As far as I understand the solvers create the results based on the preflop ranges.
Am I mistaken?

Another example. 2nd hand from the same video.

Wizard checks 94,1%

No matter what, we bet!!!

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27.11.2023, 16:59 0

Hi! Let me ask you something. Is the Postflopizer hand a Heads up hand? Because the image on GTO Wizard is showing you are openraising 3x at SB and BB calls, therefore you are out of position in the table. But the postflopipzer hand seems to be a HU hand, where you'd be IP by openraising at SB.

Am I wrong? Clarify this for me please! glgl

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27.11.2023, 17:28 0

Originally posted by BIRJAAN
Hi! Let me ask you something. Is the Postflopizer hand a Heads up hand? Because the image on GTO Wizard is showing you are openraising 3x at SB and BB calls, therefore you are out of position in the table. But the postflopipzer hand seems to be a HU hand, where you'd be IP by openraising at SB.

Am I wrong? Clarify this for me please! glgl

Both hands are 6-max, 200 BB
Postflopizer just shows the oop and ip only but I entered SB vs BB
Also the same ranges (as far as possible)

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_Anonymous_

27.11.2023, 18:30 0

Anyone who has a Wiz subscription? Without a subscription I am not able to copy the Wiz ranges exactly. So, if anyone could send/post the copy of the ranges that could be helpful.

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Einherjer91

Joined: 28.02.2014

Posts: 71

27.11.2023, 19:59 +1

GTOW is corret, not sure what went wrong with your program.

The video might be a bit older, the library has been updated since then I guess.

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27.11.2023, 20:07 0

Fantastic. Thank you very much! ♠_thumbsup:

The libary update is an interesting point because Wizard is working with a libary while Postflopizer is calculating every hand on your computer. Just upgraded from 16 to 32GB because of this fact.
The Wiz libary is based on solvers (like Postflopizer).

I am checking again. Thank you so far.

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_Anonymous_

27.11.2023, 20:43 0

This is so sick. This is the result with the exact ranges.

How can the GTO Wizard be so wrong or why is the solver wrong?

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29.11.2023, 20:45 0

The show must go on. A video by the developer.

A. The solver never bets when its range is behind.
That can't be right?

B. More betting sizes do not produce better results.
In this context he shows an example with 2 sizes and 33% is the dominant one.
Then he adds 100% as a possible betting size as proof and the result does not change. What a surprise when 33% was previously dominant over 66!

If he had looked at the same example, starting with 66% and at 100% and then added the 33%, the result would have changed very much. Namely from 66 to 33%.

I have no idea how much this affects the EV, but this statement is a catastrophe.

He makes this statement because several sizes also mean significantly more memory and this unfortunately makes the program unusable for the masses.

C. He points out that in “real life” nobody uses these betting sizes and that you should therefore use the betting sizes your opponents are used to.
Why the hell should I use his solver to improve my game if he then asks me to play differently, i.e. more exploitatively?

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07.06.2024, 12:47 0

Originally posted by _Anonymous_
This is so sick. This is the result with the exact ranges.

It all depends on the game tree - make sure it's identical on the turn and river as well. Also, flop check-raise opportunities play a part.

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GTO Wizard vs Postflopizer - GTO Experts please!