[Closed] QQ vs 3 barrels

Originally posted by Hackett77
Man i really dont get why you suggest calling down this hand.

If he has a ten you calling 2 more streets and losing a big chunk.

The only way your getting value here is if he is plure bluffing or thinks he is getting value from a small PP but i dont see anyone other than a major maniac doing either.

I think you have to raise flop. if you do either

A) you win pot now
or
B) you know your beat and get away cheaply

If you call down 3 streets then either

A) your beat and lost a huge chunk of chips
B) You also giving villain chance to outdraw you with AK or PP

at the end of the day you only have 1 pair which is likely so stay at just 1 pair. this pot really needs to be won on the flop .

If you really dont like c/r flop then at least call flop/donkturn/fold to raise

THIS ♠_thumbsup:
only hand that is "value" beting river and is worse than QQ is JJ

Mstlc
Raising for information is the single most overrated play in poker EVER. Especially in this spot. As a few others have said earlier, 3betting against villains check/raise flushes all worse hands out of his range and isolates you against better hands. On the other hand you can't fold the flop ofc so you bet/call. On the turn you ofc call... yet again raising there flushes all worse hands out of his range. But again you cannot fold here cause if villain was bluffing the flop he has to bet here to make his line make any sense. On the river you could go for a fold. This depends on villain stats... most people would not barrel the river again with a pocket pair and are mostly gonna turn up with JT, T9, kind of hands. I would have a hard time to fold against his 1/2 pot bet thou cause your hand has to be good 1/4 times to make it 0EV. Against a JJ-TT, 88, JTs, T9s, JTo range you've got 30% equity on the river. But... I actually doubt very much that he'll ever barrel Jacks again at all cause it's hard to get called by worse from his PoV. Bet/call - call - fold looks like the best line for this hand imo.

yea thats the point u all r saying that, u all can see that, but i gues u dont think it deeper

C/R FLOP ISOLATES UR SELF VS BETTER HANDS ->we all agree on this
so if he calls or reraise u r FOLDING (give it up) 4.5$ invest and u got clearer picture with call down ur paiyg off beter hands, giving people free chance to out draw u etc

if he have worse hand (pocket , ak, bacdoor str8/flush draws, u can beat 2 on river:)) too etc ) he will fold and u WIN THIS POT RIGHT NOW, he cant out draw u

1 more thing on river his range is polarized ether he have pure bluf there or ur QQ are not good Ahi or some pocket

BTW
@DecMate c/r turn is TERRBLE PLAY

to me re-raising flop seems overplayed, since we´re only representing there overpair or Tx and he can play accordingly either calling or shoving with better hands and then folding worse hands.
So to me most correct play is b/c flop, call turn and then evaluate river.
If you want you can fold river, since likely players are not really 3-barreling that often.
Btw. If you bet/call flop, call turn, you´re likely investing the same amount money when you´d 3-bet flop and then fold to shove.
You´re behind at both cases, but can see turn and river card which could improve your hand.
So I really don´t any reason why we should re-raise flop to find out that we´re behind and if he is bluffing then let him chance bluffing on the turn and decide on the river if we want to call him down.

Originally posted by Kaitz20
So to me most correct play is b/c flop, call turn and then evaluate river. true ♠_thumbsup:
If you want you can fold river, since likely players are not really 3-barreling that often.
Btw. If you bet/call flop, call turn, you´re likely investing the same amount money when you´d 3-bet flop and then fold to shove. AGREE
You´re behind at both cases, but can see turn and river card which could improve your hand. or he improve his hand
So I really don´t any reason why we should re-raise flop to find out that we´re behind and if he is bluffing then let him chance bluffing on the turn and decide on the river if we want to call him down.

if he's a reg then turn is snapfold