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If you know basic programming you can write a pretty random number generator in like 30 characters.

No, you can just write a command that tells the program to come up with a random number. The way random number is generated is a complex thing, and guys here wonder if it's trully "random".


Hey who told you RNG stands for Random Number Generator. I think it is Rigged Number Generator. Hard not to belive it, because whole week I've seen very big sh*t on Stars. Every player that is all-in (on FL SH) and is raising like craazy just to get of the table, has the nuts. When I play againts such players I alwasy tell myself " Only XX beats me, but this hand is hardly in his range and he has only 2BBs left, he wants to ship it all ". And every time he shows me the WTFPWN hand. What so ever, I hope this ends soon, it's not nice, I know I shouldn't complain, but it makes me feel a little bit better.

If you know basic programming you can write a pretty random number generator in like 30 characters.

Computers can't be random, thats why the so called RNG based on mathematical formulas aren't random at all. The RNG that Pokersites use are based on random events, that computer uses to give you some cards.


shivas80
Joined: 24.12.2008

few points to note:

RNG is allways RANDOM (thats why they are RANDOM number generators) :)

Tho in the x-files theory noone is safe... the software what uses result of RNG could easily change whatever card is next :) Becoz everytime all the deck should be shuffled before dealing, all shufled deck is available for software :)

So basicly blaming RNG is kinda stupid... more often if there is RIGGED case it would be like that case with SUPER user :) or other software related stuff. :)


"True" random numbers vs. pseudorandom numbers

There are two principal methods used to generate random numbers. One measures some physical phenomenon that is expected to be random and then compensates for possible biases in the measurement process. The other uses computational algorithms that produce long sequences of apparently random results, which are in fact completely determined by a shorter initial value, known as a seed or key. The latter type are often called pseudorandom number generators. A "random number generator" based solely on deterministic computation cannot be regarded as a "true" random number generator, since its output is inherently predictable. How to distinguish a "true" random number from the output of a pseudo-random number generator is a very difficult problem. However, carefully chosen pseudo-random number generators can be used instead of true random numbers in many applications. Rigorous statistical analysis of the output is often needed to have confidence in the algorithm.

By Wikipedia
So as I said Pokersites use the "real" RNG based on physical events to have a preshuffeled deck at the table, that doesn't mean that preshuffeled deck cannot be rearanged so the next card would be, for example an A not a K.


andreibalint
Joined: 11.04.2009

Yeah, write in every program you want a random number generator which shows only 0 or 1. Then put it to do this 1 trillion times. You'll se there are half a trilion of 0's and half a trillion of 1's. If this happenes it's random.


RNG is allways RANDOM (thats why they are RANDOM number generators)

God exists, because he's almighty :f_biggrin: In other words, do some research on net and you'll see that RNG is never TRULLY random


vhallee
Joined: 30.09.2008

I experienced the same as a starter. I knew I was a good poker player (after reading Pokerstrategy's Basic FL articles :) I played according to the textbook, got bad beaten in rows (from the same goddamn playa') then tilted biiiiig time. Then when my purpose was to actually lose money (self-destruct mode) and started to play trash hands I just started to win. "WTF?" - I thought.

Recently I realized that my attitude (and thoroughly analyzing my hand history) has a lot to do with the quality of my play. No fear, no hope is the proper mindset when playing poker (and playing Russian roulette) - and in fact when I was not afraid of losing and didn't hope to win I started to win. It had nothing to do with some kind of sick reverse logic where playing trash hands is profitable.

So my suggestion is to
1. Analyze your hands thoroughly and objectively - it's less likely you will feel the same emotional rush as the first time when seeing your AA lose to a runner-runner flush. I know it's an advice written everywhere - and for a good reason.
2. Have the right mindset when sitting down to play poker. No fear and no hope is the key. Be in the flow, play in the zone. In this case, even if you lose (which will rarely occur) you will feel ok, believe me.


andreibalint
Joined: 11.04.2009

Some stuff i learned from an informatics student: there is no such thing as completely random number generator.

That is because the so called random number generator is made by an algorithm. And if it's made by an algorithm it's repetable. So not random.

But they come pretty close of course.


Originally posted by andreibalint
Some stuff i learned from an informatics student: there is no such thing as completely random number generator.

That is because the so called random number generator is made by an algorithm. And if it's made by an algorithm it's repetable. So not random.

But they come pretty close of course.

technically correct, but not in this case because sophisticated poker software RNGs are using:

- user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
- Quantis, a true hardware random number generator developed by Swiss-based company ID Quantique, which uses quantum randomness as an entropy source. you can read more about this here


ljovej
Joined: 23.04.2009

Maybe it is random but somehow my KKs and AAs are always busted few times in a row.Enough to put me on hard tilt and to take away my rakeback or hardly earned cash.
Sometimes you play for hours and few AA KK get away your hard work...like today for me


Joronamo
Joined: 17.10.2008

Originally posted by 8979687
I do not know of anything to keep track of the winnings of players in cash games,

PTR?