[Closed] Calling Allin with Overpair

wp. you sucked out, but remember this: he also sucked out! He called for setvalue for 180, while your stack isn't 15*180. I wouldn't be able to get out of this. Especially on the turn, where you have outs for whats most likely the best straight here.

Ok, truly i don't understand a word o.O
what does "suck out" mean? sry, i didn't here this expression before. I don't know what you mean by this. o.O
I also don't know what my stack size has to do with setvalue?
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your first question:

sucking out means, the worse hand loses. So on the flop, your opponent had the best hand, but you won, that means you "sucked out".

the second question: read the sss and bss articles, despite the fact that you play s&g. Calling for setvalue = calling with a pair, because there is the chance you get one more, so you have a set, which is most likely the best hand. You only call if you have a stack that is 15* the amount you have to call for, because:

1. there is a 12% chance to get a set on the flop
2. you most likely win about 10 times the amount you called for.
3. you don't always win.

If you are a beginner, this is not crucial. All you have to know is that you call for 1/15 of your stack with any pair.

And very important: read as many articles as you can!!! It will help you a LOT.

You played this hand well, btw, don't feel guilty about hitting your straight on the river.

and a question: what is the buy in for this sit and go? because s&g's are very risky if you have a small bankroll.

that was the 5000$ freeroll "first deposit" tourney at full tilt with about 200 entrants. I finished15th place cashing in 50 bucks lol
Frankly i didn't read many articles here at pokerstrategy yet. I started with the sss, than i read lee jones "Winning at small limit hold 'em", continued with Phil Gordon's green book (but only worked through the preflop chapter; will continue later).
I didn't finish gordon's green book, because first i wanted to get some more basics and for that Harrington's first book was just perfect. I know the book inside out Right now, i'm trying to apply these concepts and when i'm fully familiar i'll continue with his second book.
I'm a firm believer that experience will teach you over time how to play correctly, but by reading, no by studying books you accelerate your progress tremendously.
Also my S'N'Gs improved over the last time and i'm beginning to make steady profits.
My bankroll is btw 20x sngs (same for cash games) buy ins and 50x mtt buy ins. When i'm in profit (10% of my bankroll) i have to quit the cash game and buy in again.

My bankroll is btw 20x sngs (same for cash games) buy ins and 50x mtt buy ins. When i'm in profit (10% of my bankroll) i have to quit the cash game and buy in again.

thats why you should read articles at this site! for mtt you require 100 buy ins, and for s&g 50. Thats because you can't buy out when you doubled up, you either win or lose. A cashgame is less risky, because you hardly ever lose your entire buy in.

Thereby, things like the call15 rule are basic strategies that you don't find in these books (i think), but on this site. There are only few articles, and if you read 1/2 hour a day you can read them all in a week.

i guess it's a matter of definition how many buy ins you need o.O
Who tells you that the recommendations are the right ones? Of COURSE they are very good ones, but isn't it even better with 200buy ins? I think that's another mistake many do. They just see one way and ignore all the alternatives. I promise you that there'll be dozens of people here at PS that swear by its tips and advices, which isn't bad, but too narrow minded in my opinion.
I guess 20 buy ins is quite good. Of course you should only work limits up when you feel confident.
btw: the 20buy ins recommendation is by chris ferguson. You can read his article about bankroll management at FTP. But as i said there is never only one solution in life
For me the probability of loosing 20sngs which i think i can master is unlikely ENOUGH. But it's up to oneself. I also think that it's part of your playing style. More aggressive player may need more buy ins, that may be true. However i count myself to the more conservative party who may more end up in money finishes but not so often as the first one.
Greetings

btw: i'll definately look at the articles here, but first i want to finish harrington's books. Ok, time for bed now

Who tells you that the recommendations are the right ones? Of COURSE they are very good ones, but isn't it even better with 200buy ins?

pokerstrategy makes more money if i move up sooner (with 20 buy ins), chris ferguson doesn't. If pokerstrategy doesn't feel safe, after a thorough research, then who am i to doubt them? I'm just a small boy in the big pokerworld. Pokerstrategy is a profiting company, who advice me to take it easy, which cuts down their profits! FTP wants you to move up, and doesn't give a ** whether you go broke or not, as long as you make them as much money as possible. I wouldn't trust any article that is published at a poker platforms' site tbh, and i have my reasons for it (poker platforms aren't to be trusted, imo).

20 buy ins may be quite ok at 10$, because you can always move down from that level. But if you just started, i wouldn't recommend anything under 35 buy ins. I started my career with 50$, 1+.2 s&g's, so i'm a bit of a hypocrit, but 20 buy ins gives you a good chance to go broke, and that would be a pity, of course.

chris ferguson used the 20BI rule when trying to build his bankroll from 0 to $10000. however, you have to remember that he wouldn't care that much if he lost his bankroll, whereas i think you should..

also you must remember that chris ferguson is very very good!!! He may well have the same variance as everyone else but his range per 10 games will be from, say, 0% ROI to 150% ROI, whereas for us mortals it's closer to the range of -20% ROI to 130% ROI.

it doesn't matter, since the minium is 20buy ins. As soon as you're below 20buy ins you move down a limit, so that you again have 20 buy ins at least. That way the table strengeth is regulated automatically and you can't go broke (of course if you start out with the lowest limit and 20buy ins, but that's not the case regarding me. Maybe i should say 5% max buy in in cash games and sngs and it will become much clearer.

I would shove the flop, after his reraise.

And I strongly recommend either a very passive BRM or iron rules, when you have to go down some limits.