[Closed] Hi (aka PokerStrategy Ninja lifts veil thread).

Good to hear from you, and very good to have you active here! Your graph is very impressive.

I've tried playing the LAG style at what you call nanostakes, especially MTTs, but haven't been that successful. It's nice to see that the LAG style does work in the right hands.

I think for a number of reasons SNG's remain different because of the disconnect between chips & money which doesn't exist in the same way with cash games. It's much more important to develop an understanding of the independant chip model for games with a payout structure.

Depending on the situation proper ICM adjustments lead you to be risk adverse, sometimes radically so, and making adjustments in this way would be a large mistake for cash game players.

For instance, sometimes its theoretically correct to fold aces preflop in a double or nothing SNG, but in a cash game anything remotely close to this would have exactly the opposite effect on my expected value.

Originally posted by datsmahname
For instance, sometimes its theoretically correct to fold aces preflop in a double or nothing SNG, but in a cash game anything remotely close to this would have exactly the opposite effect on my expected value.

What would one of those times be?

Hey,

Nice to have you on board fellow Lagtard.

Noiiiiice graph ♠_cool:

Originally posted by belayd

Originally posted by datsmahname
For instance, sometimes its theoretically correct to fold aces preflop in a double or nothing SNG, but in a cash game anything remotely close to this would have exactly the opposite effect on my expected value.

What would one of those times be?

say for example there are 6 players left and there are 5 places paid.

We have 800 chips and the blinds are 100/200. We're in the Big Blind, though, so we have 600 behind.

Other Stack Sizes:
UTG: 400
CO: 900
BU: 3000

Imagine that UTG shoves, CO reshoves and BO calls.

In this spot we're getting a great price with a great hand, but unless both UTG and CO beat BU and UTG beats CO, then someone gets eliminated and we, by folding our hand, gain money for no risk.

And welcome, datsmahname! Good to have you hear. Sick LHE girafeeeee ITT sir, wp.

Thanks for the example, Marc. I'm gonna have to look up "independent chip model."

Hey there Strategists, I figured after being a member for pretty near two years I might as well take the time to introduce myself.

you did the right thing datsmahname!

Big Welcome and Good luck at the tables!
Ingrid

Well, i'm not a DoN SNG player, but

the idea (as i understand it) is that the probability of cashing in the tournament when you play the hand is less than the probability of cashing when you fold preflop then you should fold.

if you are on the bubble, there is a very short stack (~5bb or less), and the chip leader has raised... shipping it with AA preflop can be an ICM mistake in a DoN because the shortie will have to ship it with a wide range but will not have a very high probability of remaining in the tournament with that range of hands.

Even winning with AA wouldn't significantly increase your chances of cashing in the tournament because you've doubled through the chip leader.

By contrast you should be extremely risk adverse against the short stacks raise or push.

My explanation is probably not 100% accurate, but if you watch some of the strategy videos on ICM or DoN play you'll probably find the section that discusses this idea. I think its a silver video.

Thanks. But what do DoN and ICM mean?

datsmahname: i like the way you explain things. interesting thoughts. and i like the sexy graph as well. have you ever thought of starting a blog?

belayd: DoN's are double or nothing tournaments wherein you either win double your buy in or nothing. ICM is the independent chip model. You can check out the article here: ICM article

smiles everyone!

Wendy

Hi, Wendy,

Thanks for the explanation. I read the article and it's obviously something a player learns to do after a lot of post-facto application during hand analysis. Using SNG Wizard in the middle of an SNG would be too time-consuming and difficult. So I have the same problem with ICM as I do with using Equilator: I'll have to plug in thousands of marked hands after the fact in order to acquire some aptitude for calculating both hand ranges and +$EV tournament plays in my head on the fly.

RE: blogging... idk, i guess i haven't.

how would i go about starting this blog? does PS have a medium for blogging?

There is a subforum called Your Poker Blogs where any member is free to start a blog--or more than one blog. I have two right now, one for online play and one for live play.

here's our blog section: blogs
i think its one of my most favorite parts of the forum really great way to know the community better and for them to know you better. you seem pretty experienced with poker and might have a lot to share. hope you visit that section sometime. i have one myself (you see the link in my signature). ive met many great people in there.

OK ;-)