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[Closed] Top pair, low kicker on flop?

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abnaxis
Joined: 10.05.2009

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$0,69:25/64/16/1.8/53/0/-/78;Hero$0,97:///////;UTG1$0,32:07/71/14/0.5/20/-/-/0;MP2$1,4:26/27/15/0.3/25/100/-/50;BU$0,77:19/42/16/1.6/14/0/-/0;[/tg]
0,02/0,04 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant.Base 0.99 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♦, 4♥
UTG folds, UTG1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, BU calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (5,00 SB) Q♣, 7♦, 2♠ (5 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, 3 folds.

Turn: (3,50 BB) Q♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5,50 BB) 9♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9,50 BB

After limping in as BB i get myself into a weird situation. Top pair with a crappy kicker. No flushes or straights possible though and no raises preflop. I put him on a queen (which i'd loose against, caus of my kicker) but since he is a semi loose player i decided to call. But i got to be honest. I was completelly lost and still kind of am on what to do in these situations. Is calling a good thing? Should i fold/raise in my position?

On the turn i was heads up with him and he checked to me. Felt like a trap, but i decided to bet anyways. He just called so i was at a loss here. Can't put him on a hand. Pocket dueces or sevens and he's afraid of the queens now? An overcard with a low spade maybe? A8 or something of the like. Dunno. I was sure he'd raise if he had a queen, so i didn't put him on that anymore. Or maybe some weird slowplay?

A spade on the river made me uneasy but i decided to bet anyways, since i had initiative. He raised me and i'm quite sure im beat here. Backdoor flush im thinking. I called anyways. A 3-bet is out of the question i think and just folding here is also kind of bad, if for nothing else to see what cards he has and to see how he played them.

Well, as you can see im quite at a loss. Thanks in advance on any feedback i get :).

Have a nice day and see ya


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

This hand is a perfect example of one of the major leaks for many beggining FL players and its fine to see it and get rid of it:)

Preflop check is obviously fine and you can be very happy to see a free flop.

Flop is very important though. Its a multiway pot with many bad players and you have hit a decent hand = TP. If it gets checked to you you should always bet and most of the time just keep betting for value all the way.

But SB bets into you. At this point you have only 2 options..it a standard raise or fold situation on the flop. If you think you are ahead often you should always raise and try to protect you very vulnerable hand in this multiway pot( you aim with a raise is to reduce the field and hopefully kick out players who are behind ) and if you think you are behind then you should obviously fold.
In your case its very very close and would not really mind folding that much but I really feel weak to fold TP when players can be irrational on these stakes(and you also beat 7x or some Q3,Q4 which also make sense for him to bet) so raising is fine as well.
Both lines probably have about same EV its just that raising has much higher variance but may actually prove to be slightly better.

As played turn is super easy valuebet and river its a crying call.Pot now got big and he may be doing something crazy or just has a split with Q3-Q6 or overplays stupidly AA...in FL microstakes you dont want to fold big hands in big pots especially not vs unknown but probably bad players.


abnaxis
Joined: 10.05.2009

Hey hey,

cheers for the review and advice :)

Cool, at least i recognised a leak Will learn from it and try not to do it again.

Thanks again,

have fun and see ya