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[Closed] Protecting big hands

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dynedyne
Joined: 02.11.2010

Hi Guys, i started playing limit hold'em on stars. Since limit is not where i have the most experience, I started playing micro stakes 0.05/0.10. These are some uber loose games, and i have some difficulty protecting my big hands.

e.g 1

SB ($1.84)
Hero ($2.06)
UTG ($2.61)
UTG+1 ($2)
UTG+2 ($6.99)
MP1 ($1.87)
MP2 ($2.05)
CO ($2.17)
BTN ($2.49)

Dealt to Hero K♦ A♣

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 raises to $0.10, fold, BTN calls $0.10, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, UTG calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05

FLOP ($1.02) 2♥ 4♦ K♣

Hero bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.10, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.15, UTG calls $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.05, UTG calls $0.05

TURN ($1.62) 2♥ 4♦ K♣ 3♦

Hero bets $0.10, UTG raises to $0.20, MP2 raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.10

RIVER ($2.82) 2♥ 4♦ K♣ 3♦ A♦

Hero bets $0.10, UTG folds, MP2 calls $0.10

MP2 shows 5♠ 5♦
(Pre 55%, Flop 10.8%, Turn 15.9%)

Hero shows K♦ A♣
(Pre 45%, Flop 89.2%, Turn 84.1%)

MP2 wins $2.92

e.g2

SB ($2.30)
BB ($1.35)
UTG ($2.29)
UTG+1 ($2.56)
UTG+2 ($1.40)
MP1 ($2.05)
Hero ($2.25)
MP3 ($2.86)
CO ($2)
BTN ($7.29)

Dealt to Hero J♠ J♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, fold, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.08, BB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.20, MP3 calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.05

FLOP ($1) 4♥ 6♣ J♦

SB checks, BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.10, MP3 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

TURN ($1.30) 4♥ 6♣ J♦ 8♣

BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN folds, BB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.10

RIVER ($2.10) 4♥ 6♣ J♦ 8♣ 5♦

BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, BB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.10

BB shows 7♥ K♥
(Pre 31%, Flop 5.9%, Turn 9.1%)

Hero shows J♠ J♥
(Pre 69%, Flop 94.1%, Turn 90.9%)

BB wins $2.60

e.g3

SB ($1.35)
BB ($5.55)
UTG ($3.20)
UTG+1 ($1.74)
UTG+2 ($1.96)
Hero ($0.65)
MP2 ($1.81)
CO ($2.22)
BTN ($3.95)

Dealt to Hero K♦ K♣

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, fold, fold, SB calls $0.08, BB raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, MP2 calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10, fold

FLOP ($0.80) 2♣ 3♦ Q♥

SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, SB calls $0.05

TURN ($0.95) 2♣ 3♦ Q♥ J♣

SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, SB folds

RIVER ($1.15) 2♣ 3♦ Q♥ J♣ 7♣

Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.30 (AI), MP2 calls $0.10

Hero shows K♦ K♣
(Pre 82%, Flop 93.3%, Turn 81.8%)

MP2 shows T♣ 6♣
(Pre 18%, Flop 6.7%, Turn 18.2%)

MP2 wins $1.67

if people have some advice for me that would be great.

cheers


2 replies
Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

plspost just one hand per thread since its much easier to evaluate... but anyway

1) Nothing much to be said for preflop and flop.You hit one of best flops for AK as even in multiway pot there are not many draws.so bet/3bet is best play. When MP2 caps you should start thinking about his range(I will assume he is unknown as you didnt provide any reads/stats)...he caped preflop and went for raise/cap on this fairly dry board...at this point you shouldnt really be beating many hands(out of preflop capping range you are only splitting with AK)...therefore my turnline would be just c/calldown trying to keep UTG in the pot and hoping MP2 spews or holds AK
Not that donking is that terrible but I would think he will pretty much always cbet turn and river in this spot)But one he raises your donk you should just calldown,now putting any more action is clear overplay on your part.
Take a note of his play since its pretty bad and you can start valueraising him much much more than before

2) Preflop ,flop and turn are kindda standard and nothing can really be said about it...River is interesting but I dont really mind a raise here.His line looks much weaker and I see him often doing this with just random two pair or even worse(7x are not that big part of his range anyway) Problem with the raise is that you have to call a 3bet which is almost always gonna be 7x... so without any reads I wouldnt mind just calling his donk on the river(its pretty close though)

3)Totally nothing to be said about the hand...pretty standard bet bet bet spot with an overpair.Getting raised on the river is ugly but without any reads you cant fold as he may easily play Qx this way or is just bluffing or whatever and you are getting 1:14 .....and dont play with less than 12BB!!! you dont want to loose value when you hit a good hand

On your question about protection... in FL its usually very hard to successfully protect against drawing hands as oponents usually get correct odds especially in these huge pots.
But gladly there is value! Even if your oponent has adecent draw and you hold TP on turn you are always gonna be 50%+ favourite therefore when bet 1BB biggest part of it goes to you(in the long run it is )Now you might say it doesnt matter which hands you play as you always have enough outs to continue and draw to a better hand....point is in correctly selected preflop hands which you are going to play.I would say that micorstake FL is mostly decided preflop.If you select hands which are gonna be big multiway favourites or at least play good postflop in mutiway pots then postflop is just ABC since huge odds will most of the time play hands on their own....like e.g.3 ) MP2 comes along with a pretty bad card which is clearly a dog to your range and also doesnt play well,he will inevitably make mistakes postflop...and then not to mention terrible flopcall(raising is much better than calling here! if he decides to continue)

Hope any of this makes sense...be asured that playing this huge pots and getting sucked out may be frustrating but its so much easier to play correctly than when you start encountering better oposition in smaller pots where they play back at you.


dynedyne
Joined: 02.11.2010

Superb information, to take some steps back on the aggressiveness with the AK isnt something i thought about. Mainly because i rather isolate the player then keeping the UTG in the pot. Will definitely work on that.

BTW MP2 and BB in eg1 and eg2 are the same guy, and e.g 3 MP2 is the same as UTG e.g1 (if that makes any sense lol) that's the read i had on those guys.

Normally in a HU pot, i have even a better read on my opponent. So i play my hands more aggresive or less aggresive depending on the situation. But in capped multiway pots i find it very difficult.

Will implement the 12BB rule!

Luckily i am used to some "bad luck", so dont really tilt. But it's frustrating, that's why i asked for some help ^^

anyways cheers for the advice, and i will post only 1 hand per thread in the future.