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[Closed] NL100sh 9Ts in 3b pot

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salflip
Joined: 02.10.2007

Villain is 21/18 7.7 3b/ 66%cb/ 36 AFQ/29wtsd

This guy once 4b me a month back, he 4b's alot so i decided to flat ip and he checked on jjxhh with Aj

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($103)
BB ($101)
UTG ($106)
UTG+1 ($39)
CO ($122)
Hero ($175)

Dealt to Hero 9♣ T♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3, fold, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7

FLOP ($20.50) 7♦ 9♦ 2♦

BB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($20.50) 7♦ 9♦ 2♦ 7♠

BB bets $12, Hero ??


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Unless I have any postflop-reads I usually muck this preflop for 100BB.

Flop:
As played it depends on your plan for the hand wether to bet the flop or not, but imo you should bet because when you call this hand preflop it is under the assumption that you can get better hands to fold postflop.
If however you check, it's only to induce - in this case you have an easy call on the turn.

If you say his range is too strong to either raise a flopbet or bet vs his check or call his turnbet - then it's again a fold preflop.


salflip
Joined: 02.10.2007

Thx Bierbaer,

Even after this villain has been 3b'ing in the blinds a few times vs my steals you won't make this call 100bbs deep wo reads?

so you would prefer a fold>4b>call

At what stack depth do you think you could call regardless of reads?


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

The problem is, that the people who 3bet a little looser are generally going broke lighter postflop.
You're usually aggressive postflop when you flop equity - with a hand like T9s having equity usually means we're on a draw which means once we're on the flop we have the equity to get it in but we're still an underdog.

If we have some foldequity the overall-play is +EV, but that means we need to know some tendencies of the opponent to generate this foldequity.

For example if we know he cbets a lot and gives up afterwards we can either float with equity and take it down on a lot of turns or (semi)bluffraise the flop.
If he 2ndbarrels too much we can take a call flop, shove turn line.
Etc...

Ofc you can do all of this vs unknowns too, but it's speculative and we end up making mistakes by playing back and creating big pots based on assumptions.

So I much rather play tight and once I know he's 3betting a lot start calling hands with highcardvalue (i.e. expanding the callingrange with hands like AQ, AJ, KQ, etc.).

With SC's my rule of thumb is ~120bb.