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Can I get away from this? We have no history and we only played about 45 hands but I never saw him potting the flop and I think he was quite nitty. However I took this same line frequently in the game.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $50(BB) Replayer
($1,115)
Hero ($1,885)

Dealt to Hero A♣ 8♣

Hero raises to $100, calls $50

FLOP ($200) A♥ 4♠ 9♦

bets $200, Hero raises to $450, raises to $1,015 (AI), Hero calls $565

TURN ($2,230) A♥ 4♠ 9♦ A♠

RIVER ($2,230) A♥ 4♠ 9♦ A♠ 6♦

Hero shows A♣ 8♣
(Pre 66%, Flop 23.0%, Turn 12.5%)

shows A♦ 4♣
(Pre 34%, Flop 77.0%, Turn 87.5%)

wins $2,230


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wasy8
Joined: 29.01.2009

If you have 45 hands, thats enough to call it some history.

I prefer flatting flop, unless you know he leads any pair and stacks off with a 9 or 2 too. If he leads flop with air it's probably better to keep in his bluffs by flatting.


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The thing with this hand is that I had been reraising him frequently and he was getting annoyed. In this context I thought that flatting looks much stronger than reraising which might look bluffy enough for him to shove any pair. I tried to raise an amount that allows him to have a decent stack to push with (maybe making him think that he still has some fold equity).


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skatelouis
Joined: 26.05.2008

Don't try to level yourself too much.

Like wasy8 said you should call to keep all the weak hands in the pot.

If it's the first donkbet I would never raise that. I know the board his dry but your hand is too bad. I don't think Vilain could push 9x 2x. Even if you have an agressive image i'm pretty sure nobody would push on that board with worse than Ax.

Turn :

If he bet he probably have Ax minus AJ+, I think he'll at least 3bet those.
If he check : 9x 2x Fullhouse.

Against certain opponents it's possible to fold your hand on the turn if you just called the flop because their ranges are much stronger than yours. In 45 hands you should have an idea of his range, if he folded a lot than yeah you could be beat right here. Anyway again most people you'll have the best hand so I'll play it for stacks most of the time.


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Thanks for the thoughts guys


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wasy8
Joined: 29.01.2009

Originally posted by matel17
The thing with this hand is that I had been reraising him frequently and he was getting annoyed. In this context I thought that flatting looks much stronger than reraising which might look bluffy enough for him to shove any pair. I tried to raise an amount that allows him to have a decent stack to push with (maybe making him think that he still has some fold equity).

The bolded probably should've been included in your OP. These are things that are important to you taking a nonstandard line, when the standard here is to flat his flop donkbet.

I don't think I really agree with your thought process here either. If you've been continually reraising him, why would he be betting out his 9/2/air and force himself into a tough decision if he thinks you're inevitably going to raise him? It seems way more likely that his adjustment (if he makes adjustments) is to completely polarize his flop bet, which is another argument for flatting and re-evaluating turn river.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Originally posted by wasy8
If you have 45 hands, thats enough to call it some history.

I prefer flatting flop, unless you know he leads any pair and stacks off with a 9 or 2 too. If he leads flop with air it's probably better to keep in his bluffs by flatting.

This. I agree with your later analysis of the gameflow too wasy8, some people just click buttons but even against those people calling the flop will generally be better.


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