[Closed] Why I should believe?

Originally posted by kiromanAAKK
Im strongely disagree that the Shroud is a fake as it has been well dimostrate that instead it is an original

We are talking of real scientific tests

Well, yeah, that's what they want you to believe thought, right? It just sounds to me so much like the typical kind of scam so-called "Christians" like to run, supposedly "proving" the existence of God, yet based on a huge falsehood.

Others include -

- The "missing day" found by NASA's computers
- Ark of the covenant found
- Chariots at the bottom of the red sea found
- Noah's ark found

The first is a definite falsehood, while the last three are hotly debated subjects based around questionable evidence/sources.

I believe in God as my earlier posts attest to, yet trying to prove the existence of God with a falsehood does no-one any favours. Eventually the bottom will fall out of the argument, and it serves as a huge dis-credit to the very thing it was trying to prove in the first place.

Now, I don't know for certain; perhaps the shroud of Turin really did belong to Jesus. But the real question is, so what? Secular historic evidence points to the fact that a man named Jesus lived on the earth and was crucified. Finding his exact shroud seems unlikely, yet supposing it was, it doesn't actually prove anything that history doesn't already attest to, nor is this inanimate piece of fabric endowed with any miraculous ability.

As I said, I believe in God. That doesn't mean I approve of what I perceive to be religious propaganda and advise caution with respect to the stories surrounding this supposed "sacred relic".

Originally posted by ro1chwvd

lmao ♦

My other half finds religion about 30 seconds before the end of **** sex otherwise he does as he's told and worships me. Hallellujah.

hey ,

The Bible, is not a book, its a library ! more than 70 books in it, written by normal peoples, inspired by God himself ( Holy Spirit), that mean, the Word in the Bible, "it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life" (Deuteronomy32:47)

Even that many peoples wrote it, its deep and united, it has two big part, actually talk about the relationship between God and his peoples, about sin and good, and evil.. and some story are pure symbols, Adam and Eve, are symbols, the snake obv a symbol, see in old religions, they use to think that many Gods exist, and many Gods married, and gave birth to the world! but the Bible, it takes that stuff, and it says only ONE God created the world, and he 1st, created everything that the human, would need, so that God would give humans the perfect place to live in, and then in the end, his perfect creation was humans!

And there are many " laws" books, many wisdom , prayer books, and philosophic..

The whole 1st part, talks about a problem, and many said one day , someone would come and save them..from pain from this sicking life...from death itself!

The 2nd part, talks about signs, about Jesus...that he is the man, that all humanity is waiting for...and his story, written by 4 different point of view..and later many letters, that give you daily advice in your spiritual life!

This is a semi- introduction to the Bible...hope it helps!

I don't wanna make a very long post, so i will write later, why i believe in God...

Originally posted by aceonetheriver
hey ,
The Bible, is not a book, its a library ! more than 70 books in it

Yep, although there are only 66 books in the main bible canon.

Originally posted by aceonetheriver
Adam and Eve, are symbols, the snake obv a symbol,

It's interesting you think the garden of Eden is a symbolic account; I've heard others with these views; but the problem is it renders the entire bible pointless. Perhaps you are familiar with the scripture found at Romans 5:12? If Adam and Eve are merely symbolic then the bible provides no good reason for why we grow old and die. There would also be no need for Jesus to come to the earth and give his life.

Here are some other scriptures that demonstrate Adam was not merely symbolic.

Jude 14 - It refers to Enoch being the seventh in line from Adam.

Luke 3:23-38 - Here we are given the lineage from Adam right until Jesus. This lineage includes characters such as Abraham and David, who are commonly considered to be real individuals not symbols, so is it not reasonable to conclude that Adam was also a real person?

Gen 5:3 - Adam begets Seth.

John 8:44 - Some have said the account must be allegorical because it included a talking serpent, but this scripture makes it clear that Satan, the "father of the lie", was behind this.

1Cor 15:45,47 - This refers to the "last Adam" Jesus Christ. If the "first Adam" was simply allegorical then this sheds doubt on the identity of "last Adam" Jesus Christ.

Matt 19:4,5 - Jesus evidently believed the Genesis account was factual.

Acts 17:26 - Reference to the fact that we are all descendants of one man.

Originally posted by aceonetheriver

This is a semi- introduction to the Bible...hope it helps!

Very nice to see you have faith in God, but accurate information is definitely preferable. It's not surprising the bible is so easily rejected these days. There are so many conflicting opinions, the majority of which are not based on in-depth and accurate study of the scriptures.

But anyway, it was nice to hear your views.

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weazel how old is the earth?

Hmmm, if Adam and Eve were real then all mankind is made from incest since their children could only have sex with each others... Just saying.....

Oh come on.. really.. another one of these?

They always end up in extremely long, boring and pointless discussions about whether god exists or not.

Just let Christians be and let them believe whatever they want. It's not hurting anyone. (anymore atleast)

Originally posted by ihufa
weazel how old is the earth?

I did a quick google search and came up with the result 4.65 billion years.

I do not know how old the earth is exactly. But I DO know it's a lot older than 6k years.

Many people criticise Christians for suggesting the earth is 6k years old; and so they should, because nowhere in the bible does it suggest the earth is a mere 6k years old.

Not to mention it is completely ridiculous from a scientific point of view to suggest the earth is only 6k years old.

Originally posted by w34z3l

Originally posted by ihufa
weazel how old is the earth?

I did a quick google search and came up with the result 4.65 billion years.

I do not know how old the earth is exactly. But I DO know it's a lot older than 6k years.

Many people criticise Christians for suggesting the earth is 6k years old; and so they should, because nowhere in the bible does it suggest the earth is a mere 6k years old.

Not to mention it is completely ridiculous from a scientific point of view to suggest the earth is only 6k years old.

Because we all know how much Christians embrace science.

Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
Because we all know how much Christians embrace science.

Some don't, it's true. Just as many atheists don't "embrace science" either.

Personally, I love science.

Originally posted by vanderveen89
I'm a Deist, so I believe both those questions are null.

there is no point in being deist.

The bible does say it indirectly cus it has the generations written down since adam and eve and fundamentalist christians do believe it's around 6k so why do u say otherwise

Originally posted by kiromanAAKK
Does the Shroud of Turin clear all the doudt about Jesus resurrection?

Also, is the Bible a reliable historic document?

Please, give out your opinion!

you're asking someone else to tell you what should be your beliefs?

you're joker, rite?

Originally posted by ihufa
The bible does say it indirectly cus it has the generations written down since adam and eve and fundamentalist christians do believe it's around 6k so why do u say otherwise

The generations written down simply show that Adam was created around 6 thousand years ago, not that the earth was created then. (Adam was not created until the 6th day remember.)

There is absolutely no reason to assume that a creative "day" is a 24 hour period. The Hebrew word translated "day" allows for a variety of meanings and simply represents "a period of time". A "creative day" could in fact be millions of earth years in length.

Perhaps more compelling proof of this can be found in the book of Hebrews (Hebrews 4:4-11). It makes it clear that we are in fact still IN the seventh day. How is this possible if a creative day only lasts for a literal 24 hours?

As for fundamentalist Christians, I'm sure they believe a lot of things that are not based on the scriptures. I've heard one source that claims a mere 15% of so-called Christians have actually read their bible from cover to cover. It's not surprising there is so much misinformation out there.

There are other examples of the word "day" being used in the bible to represent a period of time other than 24 hours, and it is likely you have heard modern expressions such as "back in my day" which obviously refer to a period of time, not a literal 24 hours.

You seem like a nice and intelligent guy. While i don't have the same religion. I wonder why so many people can't just respect other people's opinions and believes and just drop the subject.

just a note. Your not going to change anyone's opinion. And seeing as the majority of (winning, serious, pro) poker players seem to be atheist you won't get much support either. At most you might make some people more tolerant but it's really a pointless "fight".

but god rested on the 7th day and so should everyone else, so should we not be working?

and we can date human fossils way way way longer back than 6k years ago

Originally posted by ihufa
and we can date human fossils way way way longer back than 6k years ago

why would you date a human fossil? Creepy