Ho Nimit Lold'em!

Decided to do a little theory work today because I find it really interesting. I watched an old coaching video and it was about constructing balanced 3barrel ranges. For some reason I had an urge to construct a 3barrel range, but it was quite difficult to get it perfectly balanced - no problem though because we don't want to play perfect. I'll continue on from this with a 2barrel range and then finally a 1-and-done. This is basically assuming that we want some bluffs on the river, but that we want to be weighted towards value hands. We can see that busted BDFDs fit quite nicely into that range:

I know it's probably not useful for me, but I like this sort of work and once I get started on a problem I have to keep doing it ♦

Anyway, I think this is correct and it makes sense at least. Also ignore the part about hitting 46% because I didn't really look into that enough and I didn't define what a "hit" is. Time for food now.

Originally posted by DrDunne
... and with 87s I have the BDFD+BDSD as well as 5 outs to 2pair/trips on the flop

You forgot the backdoor full house

what do I do on the river now

I suggest drawing an 8.

Nice hand...

Just out of curiosity, why don't you like your raise sizing OTT?
What would you have rather bet and why?

Cheers,
VS

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by DrDunne
... and with 87s I have the BDFD+BDSD as well as 5 outs to 2pair/trips on the flop

You forgot the backdoor full house
how could I forget that!

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

what do I do on the river now

I suggest drawing an 8.

Nice hand...

Just out of curiosity, why don't you like your raise sizing OTT?
What would you have rather bet and why?

Cheers,
VS

Well I give villain 22% pot odds to call with his Tx or his draws, and then I have an awkward stack on the river that means I have to overbet-jam ~85bb into a pot of 66bb which means that if I hit I just create a TON of FE and he can fold more of his range to my larger bet. Alternatively once I make this river bet I have 37bb behind and if he decided to x/jam I don't think I'm in terribly great shape and even though that pretty much never happens, when it does I get 16% pot odds and HAVE to call it and I don't know if I'm ever good.

I just think (1) I'm not threatening his stack enough with my bluff size and (2) I'm not in a position to maximise my payoff when I do hit my outs on the river due to the large FE. It's just weird stack sizes.

I sat down to adjust my software at the table and I had the joke-thought to my self, "be funny if I get stacked the first hand
Poker Stars $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $14.70
SB: $22.37
Hero (BB): $16.00
UTG: $13.34
MP: $48.35
CO: $40.37

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is BB with 7♠ 7♣
UTG raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.24

Flop: ($0.88) 6♦ J♦ 7♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.48, Hero raises to $1.92, UTG calls $1.44

Turn: ($4.72) T♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $3.76, UTG raises to $11.02 all in, Hero sort of hates his life.

98s got there, JJ and TT are in his range, not doing so great against KhQh.. I dunno really what to do but I guess it's a call since villain's kinda fishy and can have QQ+ that plays this way. Bluffcatch on the flop then spazz out on the turn...

Actually I toyed with the idea of just leading out on the flop. Since he has <100bb I'm not sure if he's cbet bluffing VERY often so I think it's an option. But I guess he's UTG, has a stronger range and it's not like it's multiway where everyone nits up so I just xr.

And then there was this hand which was a bit weird and potentially spewy:
Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $16.64 (104 bb)
BB: $16.41 (102.6 bb) 22/15, barely folds to 3bets, seems to be not such a crazy player but that he can play back a bit. He folds 53% to SB steal and has low 3bet/4bet stats. Just don't think he's that good.
UTG: $16.74 (104.6 bb)
MP: $31.78 (198.6 bb)
CO: $33.37 (208.6 bb)
BTN: $24.11 (150.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T 9
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.48, BB calls $0.32

Flop: ($0.96) 4 6 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($0.96) J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB TANK raises to $2.24, Hero raises to $5.12, BB folds

I made a fishy spew He bets his TP+ on the flop for protection, he stabs his FDs on the flop for FE+potEquity. I'm always super aware of my game in the SB and it really makes me uncomfortable playing SB vs BB. It's like if I cbet villain knows my range is quite wide so obviously I get 0 credit, so I bluff less on the flop. Then they show weakness by checking back so I feel like I should stab usually, but again that line is super weak and even here I rep nothing anyway. But I simply don't think this guy has ANYTHING. I'm sure he wouldn't check back a flush.. would he?

had a good session this morning and i was once again rolled for 25 so i decided to play 2 tables for 20 mins. again i had to just quit early due to tilt. this time i didn't get stacked repeatedly, but i was down close to a BI just in NSDW. i don't feel like i could have played any differently but given how this limit goes for me i don't really know what to think. practically all cbets were raised and my valuebets getting snapped up by regs playing dominating hands in a really strange way! I'm not posting hands because it's basically every hand and they probably all look very standard. NL25!!!!!!!!!!!! :why::why::why:

When I have a player on my left who likes to raise my CBets too much I just don't CBet.
Try delaying it til the turn and see what happens.

Most of the time they do this I think that they're full of $hit, but unless you have the cards to confront them with, you just have to fold.
And, if you're just going to have to fold, why give them the chance?

I don't know if that is sound logic, but how else to deal with these guys?

Best of luck,
VS

Update

Bankroll challenge accepted: gonna post my weekly updates and bankroll details. I have some of my bankroll in skrill, but I won't use that for this - this will be a stars build.

Week: 0
Handcount: 0
Bankroll difference: $0
Bankroll: $520

Looks like it didn't take you long to get back into it, like riding a bike.

Originally posted by svonja
Looks like it didn't take you long to get back into it, like riding a bike.

yeah, just grinded a few k hands and reviewed some videos etc

Got this guy who likes to 3bet/5bet vs me but I never really have mcuh of a hand to play back with. I adjusted by just not 4bet bluffing him since he seemed to always ship on me. Then this:

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $21.15 (132.2 bb)
BB: $30.94 (193.4 bb)
UTG: $17.37 (108.6 bb)
MP: $16 (100 bb)
CO: $16 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $16.48 (103 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.32, SB folds, BB raises to $1.28, Hero raises to $2.88, BB raises to $30.94 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.60 and is all-in

Flop: ($33.04) Q 6 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($33.04) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($33.04) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Strange when I had him down as a solid reg... I wonder what to do vs him now. His stats are very solid seeming, so I'm assuming he can give me credit for trying to adjust vs him. Maybe he continues doing this, or maybe he tightens up now because I'm obviously going to 4bet/call with a range that beats these stupid bluffs...

Oh, then pain...
I'm playing at a site that has a "let's all limp and see who wins" culture.
These sorts of hands are painfully common -- only without the pre-flop raising.

In this hand, I wonder about the 4-Bet size.
If I get 3Bet small (< 10 BB) I 4-Bet 22 BB (usually -- I muck about with this and with 0.16 BB I'd round it off to 20)
But even 20 BB in your case is $3.20.

vs Large 3Bets, I 4Bet 25 BB.

I don't 3Bet shove ever except vs shorties, but in his case, it might be worth it.

I feel your pain...
VS

Hey DrDunne,

Welcome to the 'Get Rich or Die Tryin' bankroll challenge. we will be looking forward to your first update which you should post by Monday of each week in Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge - Reporting thread.

Have fun

Laz

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Oh, then pain...
I'm playing at a site that has a "let's all limp and see who wins" culture.
These sorts of hands are painfully common -- only without the pre-flop raising.

What site is that then?! ♦

Originally posted by VorpalF2FIn this hand, I wonder about the 4-Bet size.
If I get 3Bet small (< 10 BB) I 4-Bet 22 BB (usually -- I muck about with this and with 0.16 BB I'd round it off to 20)
But even 20 BB in your case is $3.20.

vs Large 3Bets, I 4Bet 25 BB.

I don't 3Bet shove ever except vs shorties, but in his case, it might be worth it.

I feel your pain...
VS

Well, "standard" 4bet sizings are approximately 2.2x-2.4x the 3bet, IP I believe it can be on the lower side and OOP on the higher. But in reality people don't just play a 5bet-or-fold strategy because sometimes they will have a wider value portion like AQ, AJ and 99 in this spot so by making it so small a lot of the time you will face a call. And actually people sometimes call with their 3bet-bluff hands too Which is not a problem since as long as they never play KK+ in this manner we always have a stronger range than them. Because I'm 4bet bluffing occasionally and don't necessarily want a call it just makes sense to make it slightly larger (BU vs blinds when I 2x and they make it 7bb or so I'll 4bet 18bb) in these positions to discourage that.

Originally posted by Lazza61
Hey DrDunne,

Welcome to the 'Get Rich or Die Tryin' bankroll challenge. we will be looking forward to your first update which you should post by Monday of each week in Get Rich or Die Tryin' - The Bankroll Challenge - Reporting thread.

Have fun

Laz

Thanks! Update coming on monday.

Originally posted by DrDunne

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I'm playing at a site that has a "let's all limp and see who wins" culture.
These sorts of hands are painfully common -- only without the pre-flop raising.

What site is that then?! ♦

The site is in Canada only, and is run by the British Columbia Lottery Corporation (in other words, the government) in conjunction with the Quebec equivalent.

Very low traffic unfortunately -- atm only 338 players on line.
I just play there when I'm bored.

Unfortunately, all my PokerStrategy.com tracked rooms have other problems, so I don't play much poker these days.

Cheers,
VS

Week 1 update:

Happy with my volume, but not so much the results. I'm reconsidering a lot of my game and working on a few bad habits. Had to drop to nl10 for the time being, since dropping there things have been ok. Will rebuild there and hopefully be back to 16 soon.

Week: 1
Handcount: 11495
Bankroll difference: -$32
Bankroll: $488

Won't be able to grind for the first couple days this week since I really have to finish a literature review for university, so hopefully that gets done sooner and I can get back to grinding.

Back from university, TIME TO DO A DATABASE REVIEW. I don't think I'll grind tonight, will just dig into my game a little and see what's cracking.

Update

This week was a little better than last - I actually had a couple winning days ♦ I have been running quite badly but I discovered a pretty big leak this week and I'm pretty sure I have plugged it. Since then the red line has been floating happily, but we all know that red and blue are highly connected so it no doubt impacted my blue as well. I think the reason for running better this week is because of this guy:

You should read it. It's far from being perfect but it should give a lot to think about that should lead you to more questions which overall will help you improve.

Results:
Week: 3
Handcount: 2600
Bankroll difference: -$64
Bankroll: $502

haven't played much this week due to tilt... been kinda tilting all week so no more poker today.