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confidant91
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This article refers to lesson 2 of the beginners' course:
Beginners' course - Lesson 2

Lesson 7: 23/03/2015 Adjustments to the beginner strategy - Post-flop
In this lesson we will show how a beginner can improve his game and develop an advanced beginner strategy, especially when it comes to post-flop play.

You will learn ...
• ... what to take into account regarding an advanced beginner strategy.
• ... how to optimise your post-flop play:
- What do you have to take into account regarding hand strength categories?
- How do I optimise my post-flop play after raising pre-flop?
- Tips regarding bet sizes
- Advanced adaption to donk bets
- How do I optimise my post-flop play after just calling pre-flop?
• Tips regarding bankroll management

What to take into account regarding an advanced beginner strategy
The more advanced the strategy, the more difficult it is to specify it through predetermined ranges, sample charts and standardised playing styles.

Every player has to judge for himself when and how to play, and take responsibility for determining whether his playing style will be the most profitable option in the long run or not.

Therefore, this article won't present any more sample charts or ranges. Instead you will be shown how to start thinking about spots and how to further improve your game on your own.

How to optimise your post-flop play
Any recommendations for optimisation always depend on the respective spot you're currently in.

If you are unsure whether deviating from the beginner strategy presented in lesson 2 makes sense or not, then simply don't adjust your strategy and continue playing according to lesson 2. Afterwards you can post the hand you were unsure about in the working thread of the beginners' course.

What to take into account regarding hand strengths
Of course, there are nuances in each of the four categories (made hands, monsters, strong draws, trash).

For example, a top pair with a T is not as strong as an over pair with AA, or a trash hand not consisting of over cards is significantly weaker than, for instance, holding two over cards like AK.

These nuances lead to different playing styles making more sense in specific spots.

How to optimise your play after raising pre-flop
Because of the mentioned nuances regarding hand strengths it is not possible to cover any possible situation within a single article. Therefore, we will present one example for a feasible deviation in playing style for each category.

Made hands:
Especially when up against only one opponent, it can make sense to deviate from the standard playing style with made hands by not continuation betting on the flop. However, this should only be done when ...
• ... there are no draws on the board that the opponent could have in his range (betting against those is the better play).
• ... you are really only up against one opponent on the flop.
• ... your opponent could only hold a few or no weaker top pairs at all.
• ... your opponent could only hold a few or no mid pairs at all.

Suitable spot:

Unsuitable spot:

If you decided to check in a suitable spot, you should call bets of at most two-thirds of the pot by your opponent on later streets (turn/river), or simply bet yourself.

Monsters:
If you're holding a monster, you should think about which other monster hands are possible and which of these monsters your opponent could be holding.

Sometimes it can make sense to fold a strong hand against a lot of resistance when it's possible that someone hit a better monster on the board.

Example:
After you've bet on flop and turn, your opponent suddenly goes all-in.

Suitable for a fold:

Suitable for a call:

Strong draws:
If you're holding a draw, it is important to understand that betting a strong draw like an OESD or flush draw only makes sense when you also assume that your opponents are still able to fold.

If you're assuming that an opponent will always call anyway, it is better to play your draw passively according to odds and outs.

Hence, when you're up against more than two opponents on the flop, you can basically always assume that semi-bluffing your draw doesn't make sense, unless you're holding a monster draw with 15 outs. The same pattern should be followed when you're up against more than one opponent on the turn.

Trash:
Usually, these hands still won't have enough value to justify a move and should therefore be played as usual.

Tips regarding bet sizes
Since opponents on lower limits won't pay attention to the size of your bets for different hand strengths, it is recommendable to link your bet sizes to hand strengths on NL2 to NL5 in order to play optimally in each spot.

Bluff continuation bet = 1/2 pot size (the opponent only has to fold 33% of his hands to make it a profitable bet)
Made hand = 2/3 pot size (optimal size to ensure the opponents call with a sufficient amount of weaker hands)
Monster = 3/4 pot size (making sure the pot gets as big as possible since you're willing to go all-in anyway)

Apart from the bluff continuation bet that should ALWAYS amount to 1/2 pot size on lower limits, the bet sizes for made hands and monsters only serve as a reference point. In some spots it could make sense to choose a smaller or bigger bet size.

For instance, if you're holding a made hand and a lot of draws are possible that could still call, it definitely makes sense to choose a bigger bet size of 3/4 pot size:

If you're holding a monster on a board on which weaker hands don't really have a lot of options to call, then it could also make sense to just bet 1/2 pot size:

Conclusion:
Always try to adapt your playing style against recreational players on lower limits to the board when you're holding a made hand or monster.

However, adjusting to the board doesn't make sense when it comes to bluff bets since your opponents will usually tend to call with their draws regardless of the chosen bet size. Therefore, it doesn't matter if you're betting 1/2, 2/3 or 3/4 pot size in these spots.

Adaption to donk bets
The special rule for spots in which "the opponent bets first (donk)" (see lesson 2) still applies and offers only little room for adjustments. According to that rule, you should fold your hand when you're holding a good made hand but the opponent donk bets 2/3 pot size.

However, when switching to a more advanced playing style, you should rather try to assess the strength of your opponent's donk range and conclude whether you're still ahead often enough with your made hand. If you can still see yourself being ahead you should rather call his donk bet instead of folding right away, especially since you are in position.

In cases like this, it is important to pay attention to the size of the donk bet: If the opponent donks the pot or chooses an even higher bet size, you should simply fold your made hands and only continue with monsters. If he bets 2/3 of the pot or less, you can at call at least once with a made hand.

On the turn and river you'll simply have to make the same assessment as before. If you still see yourself ahead from time to time, you can continue calling or bet yourself when the opponent suddenly decides to check. If you assume that you're beaten, simply play check/fold instead.

How to optimise your post-flop play after just calling pre-flop
The same approach as before applies. You should try to assess which range your opponent could be holding and how you're holding up against that range with your hand. Subsequently, most decisions become self-explanatory.

Made hands:
When you're holding a made hand in a pot where you've just called pre-flop, you can usually stick to the recommendations (see lesson 2) since those represent the right play in the majority of the cases.

Deviating from that strategy can make sense when you are, for instance, holding a made hands against several opponents on a flop with a lot of draws and you don't want to risk everyone checking behind after you've decided to do so out of position.

For instance, you could take the initiative in the following spot and directly bet 2/3 pot size when you're up against more than one opponent on the flop:

Monsters:
Simply continue playing these hands aggressively by betting them right away when you're up against several opponents or when a lot of draws are possible on the flop.

If you're only up against one opponent or when the flop is particularly dry, you can also consider just playing check/call from time to time to give your opponent the opportunity to bluff again on the turn:

Strong draws:
Simply continue playing strong draws according to odds, outs and implied pot odds.

Trash:
Trash hands are still nothing that can be played in a reasonable manner, therefore simply check/fold them as usual.

Tips regarding bankroll management
From NL10 onwards we recommend that you always have at least 30 stacks for the current limit in your bankroll. Furthermore, you should move down a limit as soon as you only have 30 stacks left for that limit.

However, in general, the most important aspect is that you should always feel comfortable with your own bankroll management. So if you prefer to play with at least 40 stacks or even 50 stacks or more, simply do so and ensure that you're playing without pressure and with a clear mind, even when losing a stack unluckily from time to time.


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MeSe7e
Joined: 29.03.2010

Hi confidant,

As you advise, here is the link to the blog I have started (today :f_p:)

Thanks


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011
legenyPS
Joined: 10.03.2011

What do you think about this hands? Based on your advise I have not copied the results (but this is quite painful - is this normal? :) )

iPoker - €0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 110.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 133.4 BB
MP: 76.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (BTN): 96.2 BB
SB: 210.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♠ A♠

UTG raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3.4 BB, fold, BB calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (10.6 BB, 3 players) Q♣ 7♣ 2♦
BB checks, UTG bets 7.4 BB, Hero calls 7.4 BB, fold

Turn: (25.4 BB, 2 players) J♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 19 BB, UTG calls 19 BB

River: (63.4 BB, 2 players) K♥
UTG checks, Hero checks

I had an AQs on the button - which I thougth is good for a call at least. This is bule/yellow in the basic strategy too. I would not have called if there was an other call before me.
On the flop I have a top pair with a good kicker - but not good enough to beat a KK and AA which might have come from a UTG bet, so I have just called the approx 2/3 size bet.
On the turn a flush-draw comes :club: villain checks, so I bet because of two reason: pretend that I have the flush, and also villain gives up his hand, which would mean that he does not have flush (I think he would not check-raise at this level, right?) and probably not a KK+ - he would set his continuation bet in this case (at least I would).
The river is tricky. He called my bet on the turn, so he either might have a stronger hand, and he is just waiting for me to bet on the river (it happens time to time), or he has a weak hand and his plan is to check/fold. I checked here and I am not sure if this was the right decision or not?


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

legenyPS:

but this is quite painful - is this normal? :-)

why is it painful for you? What you have to learn that doesnt matter on one single result but on the longterm results. So only thig that matters if you are playing optimaly when this situation happens million times.

Preflop is kinda standard, you have very strong combination plus it is suited so it plays fine postflop. If there is other caller i would call as well.

As played it is good. On turn we bet not to pretend that we have flush because that would mean that you are turning our hand into bluff vs KK,AA which is just very small part of his range plus i think that he is still betting KK,AA on the turn so his range is usually KQ, some fds like 9d9c and hands that juts give up. So we are betting here for value and protection from all those draws. On the river as you can see from his turn range we dont have value bet so there is no reason to play.

Overall nice hand!


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legenyPS
Joined: 10.03.2011

Hi confidant,

Thank you for your thoughts. My postflop game is not very decent yet, this is why it is harder to call for a multiway spot.

Not really painful, but you know, if someone losing a hand it is good to receive sympathy from others, the same goes to winning but instead of symphaty, some seeking for sharing his gladness or fortune. I think this feeling goes away, just need to get used to it :-)

-legeny


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

AQs is very good hand for mw pots. It is better to just 3bet for value AQo because off suited hand cant hit many draws so it is better to take the pot down before the flop or isolate one player into HU pot.

Yeah your mindset will improve in near future when you get used to swings....Gl at the tables!


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legenyPS
Joined: 10.03.2011

What can I do if one or more player behind me almost every time 3bet my raise from SB, BTN or CO? Probably they know that most of the time

  • I fold to 3bet
  • I call their raise, then on the flop I either give up or give up after a bet
  • In case I 4bet, they call down and I am at the same situation as the 2nd point

In case I an tightening up, I will play just a few hands. Very few hands can be played profitably and this looks like not an auto profit, but an auto lose situation instead.


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Sounds very interesting. I ll visit that Coaching tonight. :-)


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

What can I do if one or more player behind me almost every time 3bet my raise from SB, BTN or CO? Probably they know that most of the time
I fold to 3bet
I call their raise, then on the flop I either give up or give up after a bet
In case I 4bet, they call down and I am at the same situation as the 2nd point

In case I an tightening up, I will play just a few hands. Very few hands can be played profitably and this looks like not an auto profit, but an auto lose situation instead.

i will cover that during the coaching.

Sounds very interesting. I ll visit that Coaching tonight. :)

Thats good! Talk to u tonight :f_cool:


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

Hey guys, tonights coaching will start as soon as HU championship stream is over, so dont go away if we are few min lat, thx :f_cool:


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kiromanAAKK
Joined: 08.10.2009

Hi Coach,

Great Coaching last week (lesson 7) that finally manage to watch in real time (I have followed the past lessons on recorded videos and read all threw the thread or at least almost :f_biggrin: btw I'm not a properly beginners even if for many different reasons I'm still in such category :f_ugly: ) and with great enthusiasm was present last night excited and ready to enjoy your lesson but because I'm a lucky guy, my laptop dumped me and I just catch the first few minutes. :f_mad:

As I believe that the video of the session was recorded as well like the previous ones, there is any chances to have a preview forecast of when will be published on the site, please? Thank you!

P.S. Also, my apology for disappear like that, usually when I'm leave a place its my habit to be polite and say goodbye thing that's obviously I didn't manage to do last night; sorry about that! :f_cry:

Look forward to next week now for the new lesson ... thanks Coach! :f_thumbsup:


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

No worries kiromanAAKK, lesson 8 is already in video section!

btw I'm not a properly beginners

I think that i remeber you from times when i started, u was quite active in NL beginner course that was tought by veriz if i remeber it correctly....


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legenyPS
Joined: 10.03.2011

In one of your recent coachings you said that we should not fold to a flop raise, and for a hand what I would have normally folded -according to lesson 2 anyway-, seems that it works, thanks coach :coolface:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 50 BB
SB: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 94 BB
UTG: 172 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 133 BB
CO: 103 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♠ 5♦

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ 9♦ A♥
Hero checks, MP bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 7♥
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 7♠
Hero bets 6 BB, fold


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MaskedNinja1
Joined: 30.04.2015

Originally posted by confidant91

Dear Pokerstrategist,

Welcome to feedback and coaching thread of No Limit Beginners Course Coaching by confidant91.

Coaching information:

  • name: No Limit Beginners Course Coaching
  • coach: confidant91
  • time: monday 20:00-21:30 gmt+1
  • status: basic
  • target group: All Pokerstartegy members willing to learn NL BSS strategy

What are u going to learn in this coaching?

Paxis (click link for his german YouTube Channel), KTU and SvenBe created this introductory course for everyone willing to learn NL BSS strategy for german community so now after big success it is time to bring it to english community as well!

During next weeks we will go together through this course starting from basics, teaching you step by step the simplest means of beating micro limits of NLHE SH while developing solid basis for higher limits. Especially later coachings are interesting even for players who already have some poker knowledge and want to solidify their game.

We already know that this works perfectly for NL2 and NL5 and we will try to show you how to ajdust it even for beating NL10 during later coachigns.

next coaching:

Lesson 9: 4/05/2015 Highstakes Hand Review & Liveplay... NL10
We move up to the beginner highstakes: NL10. But before we are going to look at a few hands from real highstakes. Would our strategy work there, too?

Links of previous coaching podcasts can be found in spoiler:

Spoiler

Lesson 1: 9/3/2015 Getting started with the [SH] Big Stack Strategy Part 1 - Pre-flop!
Link to article | Recorded coaching lesson 1
You will learn ...
• ... why position at the table is important.
• ... which hands to play pre-flop.
• ... how to utilize our starting hands charts.

Lesson 2: 16/3/2015 Getting started with the [SH] Big Stack Strategy Part 2 - Post-flop!
Link to article | Recorded coaching lesson 2!
Here you will learn:
• Your hand strength on the flop
• How to play different hands
• Several special rules

Lesson 3: 23/3/2015 Liveplay with the basic strategy!
Recorded coaching lesson 3!
You are learning games by playing them. Our Short Handed Beginners strategy will help you with your first games on the tables - and let you even take profitable decisions on the smallest stakes. In this lesson we simply apply the strategy on the tables to get some practice in reading charts & follow with our postflop guidelines.

Lesson 4: 30/3/2015 Success through community activity!
Link to article |Recorded coaching lesson 4
In this lesson you will learn about the importance of being active in our forum and seeking discussions with fellow poker players - for instance in the working thread of the beginners course, our Bankroll Challenge, the hand discussion forum or our blog section.

Lesson 5: 06/04/2015 Lesson 5: Five minutes to learn, a lifetime to master
Link to article |Recorded coaching lesson 5
In this lesson beginners will learn what a sample career path of a professional poker player looks like. Where do you start learning - how do you progress?

Lesson 6: 13/04/2015 Adjustments to the beginner strategy - Pre-flop.
Link to article | Recorded coaching lesson 6
In this lesson we will show how a beginner can improve his game and develop an advanced beginner strategy.

Lesson 7: 20/04/2015 Adjustments to the beginner strategy - Post-flop.
Link to article|Recorded coaching lesson 7
In this lesson we will show how a beginner can improve his game after the flop and develop an advanced beginner strategy.

Lesson 8: 27/04/2015 Liveplay with the advanced beginner strategy.
Now we know how to adjust our game beyond simply applying the charts. Let's test it out on NL2&NL5!
Recorded coaching lesson 8

Future lessons:

Lesson 10: 11/05/2015 Field trip to the Fast Poker Short handed tables (Zoom/SpeedPoker)
In this lesson you will learn what advantages and disadvantages FastPoker tables bring you. Playing quickly more hands sounds like a good idea, but what is the catch, how do we need to adjust?

Lesson 11: 11/05/2015 Learning from you own play: Analysis of a session played by a participant of the course
In this lesson confidant91 will look through a session played by a member. Was he able to correctly apply our advanced beginners strategy? What can we learn from our own play & analysis?


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

In one of your recent coachings you said that we should not fold to a flop raise, and for a hand what I would have normally folded -according to lesson 2 anyway-, seems that it works, thanks coach :coolface:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 50 BB
SB: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
Hero (BB): 94 BB
UTG: 172 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 133 BB
CO: 103 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♠ 5♦

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ 9♦ A♥
Hero checks, MP bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 7♥
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 7♠
Hero bets 6 BB, fold

not sure about what situation you talk, but i dont think that call on the flop is that good. It is because you will have to always fold to another bet on the turn. We have lot of better hands to float with. For example JhTh is better float than 55 eventhough we dont have sd value, but you can continue on some turns.

As played i would bet bigger river to make him fold his second pairs.

See u all tonight!


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

Did i make the coaching 2hours? You should have stoped me :f_rolleyes: Hope you liked it


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

Kiroman was selected as a winner of the video review for lesson 11 so nex time we will have soem fun together! Hope to see you guys again!


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hi ty for all great videos ,
the lesson 9,10 and 11 will be post to see again ?
because i really like you videos but i can´t see them live :f_frown:


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

No worries, they should be released soon, i will try to ask sven when we can expect to see them online. Btw the lesson eleven will be next week ;)


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