SH[NL20] 4betpot TPNK

Is this his 4bet range or 4bet%?

4bet%

I think just call preflop is better. I also don't like the call of the 4bet OOP. I think we are well behind his 4bet range even with a good portion of bluffs in it. As played I think we don't have the odds to call on the turn.

yeah, I agree with VaskataBuci about postflop. But I like your preflop play, I think 3bet/call is good preflop

i dont think we can 3bet/call here, villian isn't that out line right? 6.7% 4bet range isn't that wide enough for me to want to call this especially to a 23BB 4bet. I don't think we need to be calling wide here atall really to that size

Infact i dont see a reason to start 3betting a linear range from the BB vs this player just yet - i would call pre and polor my 3betting range more until the F3B number came below 45-50ish i guess

I also personally calling preflop but I don´t have experience with playing linear range here so it can be OK.

Postflop I believe T is fold

If I would ever call 4bet with KJs OOP I think we already steped into a shit and we have to go broke on 100bb deep

Preflop :

Its close between a call and 3B for value, if he opens 47% @BU we can 3B for value with this wide {77+,A8s+,KJs+,A9o+,KQo}, but when he 4bets its always a fold !

Flop :

As played its a X/C

Turn :

X/F, he never bluffs this board enough to make the call profitable

Hmmm....
BTN opens 3x.
I think those that open 3x open tighter than those opening 2x -- I may be wrong, but it seems that way to me.
So, I gave BTN a 50% open-raising range.

Pre-flop it looks like this:

       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    43.59%  41.97%   1.61% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K4o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
MP3    56.41%  54.80%   1.61% { KhJh }

Once he 4Bets, that range gets WAY smaller -- let's say something like this:

       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    65.50%  64.82%   0.68% { 99+, AJs+, KQs, ATo+, KQo }
MP3    34.50%  33.83%   0.68% { KhJh }

Still want to call that 4-Bet?

There is a series of articles in the strategy section that analyses hands position-vs-position
This image is for "BB vs BU open raise" -- and I'm assuming 100 BB effective stacks.
The article it comes from is for platinum level.

I'm not saying that this is gospel, but it does give a general idea.
 Yellow == call
 Blue == 3Bet/Fold (bluff 3Bet)
 Red == 3Bet/5Bet+
 Orange == split between 3Bet/5Bet and 3Bet/Call
 ??? == There is no 3Bet/Call other than the splits

The principle is to 3Bet/Fold "The top of your folding range"

KJs is well within the flat calling range, but has nowhere near enough equity to 3Bet/5Bet and according to Equilab, in the absence of reads on BU there doesn't seem to be enough equity to call the 4Bet.

So I'm flatting this pre.

Flop:
No problems with the call -- might consider check/raise as a semi-bluff, but not w/o some idea on BU's tendencies vs aggression.

Turn:
I'm with Ethanol94 on this: X/F

Peace,
VS

Originally posted by ethanol94
Preflop :

Its close between a call and 3B for value, if he opens 47% @BU we can 3B for value with this wide {77+,A8s+,KJs+,A9o+,KQo}, but when he 4bets its always a fold !

Flop :

As played its a X/C

Turn :

X/F, he never bluffs this board enough to make the call profitable

Could you explain why it's X/C on the flop if we're staying with 55 bb in 91bb pot ? I am not that good in math but there are still few worse hand which theoreticly can call like AJ/AQ ofc if his 4bet range contains such hands what is unlikely.

All in all, I think u should ship pre or just fold to his 4bet or as played just ship it on the flop when u still had backdoor equity

Originally posted by Kalecia
Could you explain why it's X/C on the flop if we're staying with 55 bb in 91bb pot ?

There may be other reasons, but ...
 Betting out leaves us vulnerable to a large raise. If we are prepared to call that raise, then I suppose donking is a possibility here -- but only if you plan to get it all in by the river with TP and Weak Kicker. If not prepared to call a raise, don't bet, hope for BU to check back. (Not on that board he won't)
 Hand is too strong to X/F
 If we want to show more strength than we really have, we can X/R that flop, but it is a semi-bluff and perhaps not a wise idea in a 4Bet pot.

Any others?
VS

Also his 4bet range should be more polorized that aj/aq. I expect him to call those hands pre so it's aa, kk,ak and if he has a bluff 4bet range either hands like at/kto or baby ax suited normally vs a polorized range we don't need to raise so we make top pair and check to face some bets from aa/kk/ak and loose anyway but also let him bluff with the weaker part of his range

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