3.5+R 180 mans FT SB vs BB

standard shove, good luck in future.

Thank you!

Also if Im the SB here is it good to call with QJ/KJ/KQ excluding AQ+ ? What should be the bottom of my range in this scenario?

Originally posted by mortal1ty
standard shove, good luck in future.

+1 Don't think twice. SBvsBB battles are usually a tale of who's throwing more BS, especially without reads.

with no info on villain tendencies, just hes bet sizing : KQs, AT+, 99+ range holds pretty decent

I kept him on the same range. Funny the bugger tanked and showed QJo.

It is little bit more tricky than just easy shove. You must think about dynamik of the table and how often you can abuse opponent that is currently on UTG. AT is verry strong, but if SB do this with strong r/c range and when you are on SB you get constant oportunity to shove into SS, then you are makeing mistake by shoving it. FTS (future game simulator) is much more important than just pure ICM. Also don't forget that he is raising with 5bb effective. Unless he is doing this constantly I will assume that his widest range would be something like that: 66+, A7s+, A9o+, KTs+, KJo+, QJs, more likely even tighter and ATo is doing terrible against that range.. If he is capable of doing it every time when he have opportunity, then you can shove even wider than ATo.

I would personaly fold that hand. Against unknown I assume that he have very strong range when he is doing so. Something like that: 77+, AT+ and against that range I will 3bet shove with 99+, AQ+.

GL at tables!

If he is capable of raise calling with QJo, then your shove is good and don't worry if you busted on 7th. And make note on him so next time you will have no worries shoving with A8o in that kind of scenario against him.

GL at tables!

That was a nice explaination mylove. Thank you!

Against a REG I would fold to a 3x open and call an open shove. Villian was playing one table and opened a few hands 3x, though it was his standard open.

Maybe had I been any more deeper I would have folded.