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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I notice some inconsistencies in your reviews. One person saying its nonsense.. The next says its all correct, but is a complicated way to write something very simple.

Which it is? Nonsense, or just the basics?

I think it is both :f_biggrin:

I mostly agree with the content. You explained playing a draw. You explained odds and outs, pot odds, bet sizing and so on. Quite basic strategies that have been taught here for a long time. Many of PokerStrategy's members are familiar with those because they have seen the coaching videos or articles. I'm a coach too and I have made videos about that stuff. But then you start talking about levels and say this is level X and so on.
Then you talked about mental game and tilting. A very important part of poker. One could read The Mental Game of Poker 1&2 by Jared Tendler and have a much deeper understanding and ability to fight it than reading about the level Y you mentioned.

So I think the core of this book is ok. It is basic strategies that we all know. But then you have taken the core and build the nonsense around it. You talk about Buddha, Sun Tzu, Einstein. And you say that a poker player gets better by understanding the levels. I kind of disagree with that. The player gets better by understanding the core things in the book, that I said, have been taught here for a long time.

You say it's the same stuff written in a different way, but there is some new stuff in there. For instance, I explain Level Four way more clearly than any before me. I explain that at this Level we consider what the opponent is pretending to hold.

Now we get to the levelling part, which is also a very old concept. Ever since people starter to play poker, they have been doing those mind games. Everyone does that I think he thinks I think stuff.

Levelling happens when we play against the same villain for a long time. We get a sense of how he plays, he gets a sense of how we play and we start adjusting = we start levelling. Those could also be called dynamics between two players. That can't be done against an unknown villain. In my opinion that is normal, it is nothing new. It is how it has always been. You just said it with other words.

I'm pretty sure no book ever explained pre-adjusting before.

I must admit that I didn't read this part properly from start to finish. But if I have understood it correctly, it is all about playing hands that are unexpected? You do something to "trick" your villain so he removes some hands from your range that you really do have in your range, right?

Well, this is nothing new either. There are tons of mixed strategies. Some complete their whole range when they are on SB so when they just limp they could hold AA. Postflop, if you look at optimal lines, many many many hands are played with mixed strategies in many spots. A GTO solver will advice you to play the same hand in 2 or 3 different ways with different frequencies. And in today's games I believe more villains get adjusted to this and they don't exclude stuff so easily. If you read these forums you will see people say that we shouldn't never exclude one hand 100%.

Then you gave an example about some preflop 3betting ranges. You put two ranges there and said that level 2 guy would probably pick the stronger looking one while the weaker looking one is better in some cases. Have you ever heard about polarized and depolarized 3betting ranges? Same concept. Has been there for a long long time.

"If you think back to earlier lessons, you'll also realise that
because we don’t actually have A2 in our actual range we will
see more Axx flops too
We will see these boards more often and so we can bluff more
often which will help us get more folds than we would if we had
played the A2 in the first place."

Have you thought about why we prefer linear/merged/depolarized ranges in some spots? What happens if villain opens with a tight range and we have that A2? It means we block a big part of his range and he is probably more likely to fold. Also, when villain calls us and the board hits out perceived range, what happens? It definitely hits a lot harder villains calling range too. So try to bluff him on a A high board when his range has a lot more Ax hands.

There are spots where we should use a polarized range. There are spots where we should use a linear range. I think you again took an old concept, said it in other words and left a lot of important stuff out.

And as far as I know, the fact that GTO is Level Infinity was discovered by me too.

GTO is a mathematical thing. If two players play GTO they reach an equilibrium. No one can win. Both play in a way that can't be countered. If you want to call it level infinity then call it that. I can call Trump being a president a level batshit crazy but it doesn't mean I invented something.

I think you have described how the thinking skills of a poker player improves when he learns new stuff. When he has learned enough he will start studying GTO and learn to play "optimally". We could call that level 6, level 800 or level infinity. You just explained what GTO is and how it works and gave it a level? I have to say that I have read a lot about GTO so this was nothing new to me either.

Nobody before me even realized that value was Level Two. Nobody realised that Level Two is defensive and Level Three offensive. Nobody before me realised that each new Level enhances the Level's before it.

Did you know when you drink too much alcohol for a long time you could die? That is level 776. Did you know when a karate kid starts kicking with his left foot instead of the right he always uses he is on level 568. I wonder why no one ever realized that before me :pcuser:

I was the first to realise that what I think he thinks I think he holds is simply "what he is pretending to hold". I'm sure you can see that this is a far simpler was to understand Level Four.

Sooo there was a long chain of words and you figured out how to say it better?
Why Trump is the president? You could write a long and analytic answer here. I could say that it is because majority of the Americans are stupid. Am I a genius because I could say it in a way that everyone understands? :)


Constantin11
Joined: 16.08.2012

Originally posted by yadijavadi
Lol some creative slating there...

I notice some inconsistencies in your reviews. One person saying its nonsense.. The next says its all correct, but is a complicated way to write something very simple.

Which it is? Nonsense, or just the basics?

You say you dont understand the point of the book but I would have thought that much would be clear. It is a book that teaches all the fundamental theory for Poker. This book is just the basics, and so kudos to the Mods. You say it's the same old stuff written in a different way, but there is some new stuff in there. For instance, I explain Level Four way more clearly than any before me. I explain that at this Level we consider what the opponent is pretending to hold. I also explain how to use this Level alongside the others, which has never been done before. I'm pretty sure no book ever explained pre-adjusting before. And as far as I know, the fact that GTO is Level Infinity was discovered by me too.

What makes this book great is not the individual factors related to poker. Its the organisation of those factors. If you read it carefully you will see that I have outlined all the rules of these Levels so that a strategist who is not a poker player can easily transfer the logic over to their own game. Nobody before me even realised that value was Level Two. Nobody realised that Level Two is defensive and Level Three offensive. Nobody before me realised that each new Level enhances the Level's before it. These things may not seem massively important to ones such as you Mods as I'm sure you understand almost every point I made in the book. However, a strategist in a different game can use these same rules to map out all the strategic theory for their own game.

Mods, you say that nothing I wrote is new. But what about the evidence I have mentioned about a thousand times? I was the first to realise that what I think he thinks I think he holds is simply "what he is pretending to hold". I'm sure you can see that this is a far simpler was to understand Level Four. That development is somewhat profound, right? I think I read an article on this site once that said Level Four is only for masters. Surely you now realise that, thanks to my book, you were all wrong?

Mods, ban me or something. This guy is just making it too easy for me to roast him with every new statement he makes

Edit: yadijavadi prolly is the type of guy to Limp/Fold pocket aces head-up because the opponent won't expect that; and sometimes call, and sometimes fold his TPTK on the river in the same exact situation just because he feels the times when the opponent is bluffing and when he is value betting.


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

@Oldschoolpapa

Once I'd worked out how the Levels work, I considered one identical decision from the perspective of players who operate at the different Levels. I looked at the ranges these different players would use and realised that as the Levels advance the ranges become more balanced between value and bluffs. The natural end point is when they become perfectly balanced.

Everyone thinks that these Levels are eventually circular but thats wrong.

Nobody's ever told me that I wasn't the first to work that out and I have asked a few people. I am blatantly the greatest strategic theorist of all time!! Shame that all I get for it is jip.


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

@LA

you say that a poker player gets better by understanding the levels. I kind of disagree with that. The player gets better by understanding the core things in the book, that I said, have been taught here for a long time.

The core things in the book are the factors from the Levels. I realised that each Level is separated into the different timeframes. Past, present, future and future-present. These give us all the pieces of theory you know and love. For instance, Implied odds = Future-present in respect of Level Two. You think that you just learn implied odds, I say that you learn the last piece of the Level Two puzzle. Same thing. Not nonsense.

Levelling happens when we play against the same villain for a long time. We get a sense of how he plays, he gets a sense of how we play and we start adjusting = we start levelling. Those could also be called dynamics between two players. That can't be done against an unknown villain

Levelling, as everyone knows it, is how you use these Levels in one individual situation. How they work in general is different. If you are considering just one situation you can say that Level Four is just a reaction to the opponents reaction of us. However, if you look at these Levels generally, you can presume that the opponent is able to tell that we are reading his range, and in reaction to this, he tries to deceive us by pretending to hold something that he does not. This can be done when first meeting a villain. It is the same as the original description, but mine is far simpler.

I must admit that I didn't read this part properly from start to finish. But if I have understood it correctly, it is all about playing hands that are unexpected? You do something to "trick" your villain so he removes some hands from your range that you really do have in your range, right?

Pre-adjusting is something everyone does all the time, and you do seem to get it. But, it represents the future-present at Level Three, and I dont think anyone has isolated the theory and explained it independantly before.

Have you ever heard about polarized and depolarized 3betting ranges? Same concept.

Polarised and depolarised lol, of-course I have heard of these things. They arent quite the same as pre-adjusting. They are just standard bluffing and value. Bluffing is when you bet with the weaker hands in your range. Pre-adjusting is when you get the opponent to remove the hand from your range on early streets, so that you can take advantage of his mistake on later streets.

GTO is a mathematical thing. If two players play GTO they reach an equilibrium. No one can win. Both play in a way that can't be countered. If you want to call it level infinity then call it that. I can call Trump being a president a level batshit crazy but it doesn't mean I invented something.

I didnt just make up GTO as being Level Infinity. As I explained to the old boy in my last post. I didnt just make-up anything. I used logic to derive it all.

Did you know when you drink too much alcohol for a long time you could die? That is level 776. Did you know when a karate kid starts kicking with his left foot instead of the right he always uses he is on level 568. I wonder why no one ever realized that before me {quote]

What the hell are you on about. You feeling alright mate. I am right, why are you going all batshit crazy on us. Sounded pretty childish. Not really a good solid argument I think you'll agree... Level Two is all about Value, and I am the first to work that out. Just accept it, stop with the dulali shit.

Sooo there was a long chain of words and you figured out how to say it better?
Why Trump is the president? You could write a long and analytic answer here. I could say that it is because majority of the Americans are stupid. Am I a genius because I could say it in a way that everyone understands?

Yeah, there was a long chain of words and I worked out how to say it better. Beginners could never consider the long chain of words, they can easily consider my simplified version. The key to this is not the wording. The key is the fact that, before I came along, everyone thought level four was for the elite. With my description, you can see that you were all wrong.


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

Hey old boy, do us a favor and back me up here. The Mods said there was nothing new in my book, and then when I highlighted that piece of evidence, and explained that I was the first to realise value was Level Two, the mods didnt explain themselves, instead, they just started being childish. I'm sure you'd prefer to hear an adult conversation?


Constantin11
Joined: 16.08.2012

Originally posted by yadijavadi
The only reason you, and everyone else, isnt consciously aware of these Levels is because everyone is suffering from something similar to cognitive dissonance. The rational thought-process conflicts with trusted irrational plays in your mind. This then causes the mind to reject any new information related to these Levels.

Spoiler


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

Constantin, I, errm, don't limp fold AA pre-flop. And no mate, that's not ironic.. You say it's too easy for you to tear me apart. Were these your attempts? You dont really seem to have said anything. Perhaps this ripping is coming soon?


TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

The Mods said there was nothing new in my book

I actually agree that there's not much new in the book. Most of the content in the book genuinely isn't new, you just give a somewhat different perspective on it by breaking it down into levels of thinking which in itself also isn't exactly a new concept. That doesn't mean the content is necessarily bad, but to say that your book is "the true secret to mastering the game of Poker, and indeed any game of life" (quote from the foreword of your book) is incredibly far-fetched.

That's more the issue at hand here; it's not that we believe the content is bad or that we are arguing against you for the sake of arguing. Most of the information you provide is solid/good, it's just not as innovative as you make it out to be.

Which ties in to the following:

the mods didnt explain themselves, instead, they just started being childish.

Part of the problem here is also your own attitude to be honest. Some statements such as "you might start talking about some flaw in the logic. There is no flaw" and "you were all wrong" etc. are statements that have little meaning when the content isn't nearly as ground-breaking as you claim it to be. And saying you "dont think me a genius" or a "sly salesman" is in stark contrast with the way you present your arguments (especially when you later call yourself "blatantly the greatest strategic theorist of all time"). That also provokes these types of reactions. The content you provide, while something you are rightfully proud of, doesn't justify the air of contempt around your posts in my opinion. A little more humilty would go a long way.

I agree with la55i that the core of the book is fine, maybe even good. However just because you give something a different name or description than those before you, doesn't mean you can claim it as something you 'invented or discovered'.


la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

What the hell are you on about. You feeling alright mate. I am right, why are you going all batshit crazy on us. Sounded pretty childish. Not really a good solid argument I think you'll agree... Level Two is all about Value, and I am the first to work that out. Just accept it, stop with the dulali shit.

Yeah, there was a long chain of words and I worked out how to say it better. Beginners could never consider the long chain of words, they can easily consider my simplified version.

The point there was that you made up that level 2. Just like I made up level 776. I took a thing that already exists and has always been there and just decided to call it that. There are no levels. You just decided to call these things levels.

When I teach my students, I will tell them when to use polarized or merged ranges. I can tell them when to balance. How the population thinks and how to exploit them.
GTO is a mathematical thing that exists. Outs and odds are things that exist. The population at online poker doesn't play perfectly, they have tendencies that really exist and that can be exploited.... Levels as you describe them do not exist.

I can give you an example of what I think you have done here:
I thought about this for 7 years and I found level 15. Level 15 is a super exploit master level where you find out that the more villain folds vs 3bets the more polarized your 3betting range should be. Because your villain still plays at level 14 where he thinks you are 3betting only value hands, he is folding way way too much. On level 15 you will actually start 3betting him only as a bluff and hands such as AA you just call. That is to maximize your profits. Now you are "pre-adjusting" and using a hand which villain often excludes from your range.

There. Am I a genius now?

But honestly I'm a bit worried. You said that you have been working on this for years, right? No one helps you. No one understands. Everyone suffers from some kind of a cognitive dissonance.

Have you ever considered why is that? Because usually the majority is right. Except when we are talking about Americans, or Brits :f_biggrin: (joke, please don't get offended)...


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

TJ, I explained what was new in my book and still you haven't said it's not new, or that it's wrong. And those things are clearly important. As I explained.

You seem to think that I randomly concocted the way in which the theory sits in the Levels, which is obviously not true. I can explain why each individual factor has it's place in each Level. I can explain almost exactly how these Levels co-exist. (There is still one thing I'm not sure of). What I've done here is organise Poker theory into the Levels of Thought. That's what this book is all about. Thats what took me 5 years to complete. Once I'd mapped out poker theory into the Levels of thought I realised all kinds of crazy things about the mind. For instance, I realised that there is one specific rational thought-process which all beings use for all decisions.


TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Now it feels like you're just arguing for the sake of it, or you misinterpreted my post.

TJ, I explained what was new in my book and still you haven't said it's not new

I clearly have said it's not new... It's the first sentence of my previous post.

You seem to think that I randomly concocted the way in which the theory sits in the Levels

I never said this, nor did I imply it. Either you misinterpreted what I wrote or you're just putting words into my mouth here.

What I've done here is organise Poker theory into the Levels of Thought. That's what this book is all about. Thats what took me 5 years to complete.

Yes, I get what you've done, what you're trying to say and how you've presented it.
And I appreciate that it took you 5 years to finalise the theory and the book, all the power to you for being persistent.


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

No La, I didnt make up the contents of Level Two lol.

When the only information you have is your actual hand and the villains range, the only thing you can do is react to the villains range. All you can do is defend.

Realising that Level Two is defensive was one of the later things I discovered. The diagram that carries the book aided me massively in respect of this. Those arrows, the path of cause and effect, were extremely important and were one of the earlier things I worked out.

The very first thing new thing that I worked out was that Level Three needed considering before Level Two. This led me to work out how that diagram works. Which then helped me understand that at Level Two we simply react to the opponent. Which led me to realise that Level Two without any of the higher levels would lead to us playing purely defensively.

If you are any good at poker you will realise that using Level Three is how we design our bluffs. By toying with the opponents perception of our range. When working out Level Two I had to omit this information. Which led me to realise that Level Two on it's own gives us value.

Every single factor was a hard slug to work out. It was very difficult to map out poker theory into these Levels.

I would probably be concerned for my mental health too, as you are implying, if it wasn't for things like; that piece of evidence that nobody is able to explain. There are other reasons too. Like, how each player is able to accept different pieces of information. Most players cant grasp Level Three and when I explain how we use our perceived range to bluff they start going mad. Sklansky was the most advanced player I ever spoke to. He went all the way beyond poker before he lost it and started childishly ripping me. That dude knows poker theory, but he doesnt understand the mind. He misses a few pieces of the puzzle. I was hoping to teach him but is obsessed with GTO nowadays so wont be learning anything more anytime soon. These reasons are compelling enough to put my mind at ease, but there is also the fact that everything makes perfect sense to a beginner. In time these beginners will get confident and will back me up, that was my plan when I started writing that book, thats the reason I started writing that book aimed at beginners! I really cant be arsed to wait for them though...

A company like yours stands to gain a lot by having the greatest strategic theorist of all time in your corner. On Reddit, and TwoPlusTwo, I won every debate on there just like I'm winning this one, but they banned me for saying no more than I have here. If you can come to accept what I have done, and I decide to join you, your site will become legend.... After the intitial period where every experienced poker player thinks you are completely insane.


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

TJ, all you said is that nothings new. I then explained whats new, and you didnt say that it wasn't.. Are you saying someone before me worked out that value comes in at Level Two? That Level Two is purely defensive? That GTO is Level Infinity? That these Levels make up a rational thought-process built into the mind???

Nothing new eh... Madness.


TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

You're right, you're probably the first one to describe it the way you did and to give it the names you chose. But that doesn't make the underlying principles different from what has been said before. You're just re-inventing the wheel.

But we're just going in circles now so I'm going to grab a beer :f_drink:


la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You said you invented the pre-adjusting thing. That no book has ever covered that.

I'm going to tell you a story.
Once upon a time there was this man who decided to start playing poker. He was one of the first ones. It was clear to him that when you have a good hand you re-raise. Then came a second man who figured out that every time the other re-raises he has a good hand. He thought that because the other man does that, he expects him to do so as well. He decided to counter that and start raising with bad hands to get a lot of folds. He also started just calling those strong hands to get more action.
Sadly the other player caught him doing that and started to adjust. Then he decided to polarize his re-raising range. He started re-raising with all of those strong hands but then many weak hands too. This lets him re-raise with a wide range and deceive his villains. When he uses a polarized strategy, no one knows what he has and they can potentially exclude some hands from his range that really are there. He was the smartest poker player of his time. He made millions.

Later he also found out that he can polarize postflop too. Although that is not as effective and it is easier. He can overbet on the river with unexpected hands. No one ever knows if he has the nuts or air. He can check a hand that he usually bets just to keep his checking range wider and protect it.

------

Now please replace the bold words with "pre-adjust". I think I just explained the same thing as you did in your book but just used the traditional word. The only difference is that it doesn't "represents the future-present at Level Three" whatever that means.

You said that level 2 is defensive because we react to villain. If we react to his weakness by being aggressive, that would be offensive?
The levels you describe could be levels of awareness. First the beginner is aware of his hand, then he starts thinking what villain has. Then he thinks about villain's range. Then his own range. The more knowledge he has the better he plays.

It really honestly looks like you have taken old things and gave them new names. And of course you are winning this debate. You think we all are wrong and don't understand a thing, end of discussion. It is impossible to lose that way :) One way to figure out who wins is to see what the majority thinks. But if 99.9% of people think you are a bit crazy, then 99.9% of people have a cognitive dissonance and you won.

If it is up to me, you are welcome here. It is fun to have some action. This kind of threads usually have many levels. Okay actually just 2 levels that repeat. First they are entertaining, then annoying, then entertaining again. You get the idea. These threads could get closed at level 6 which is annoying already for the third time. I think we are now at level 4 which is annoying for the second time. I'm looking forward to level 5 :f_thumbsup:


TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

I, for one, can't wait until we get to level 776.


la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by TJtheTJ
You're right, you're probably the first one to describe it the way you did and to give it the names you chose. But that doesn't make the underlying principles different from what has been said before. You're just re-inventing the wheel.

But we're just going in circles now so I'm going to grab a beer :f_drink:

Now it has been 207 days, 9 hours, and 55 minutes since the last time I told him that.

Gonna grab a beer too :f_drink:


yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

Pre-adjusting is a shakey one anyway. Is that what you are using to discredit everything I've said? What happened to value being Level Two? To GTO being Level infinity? To that solid piece of evidence I keep talking about??? You keep coming up with arguments, I explain them, and then instead of accepting my logic you just jump on something else, whatever you can to discredit my logic. You haven't once admitted that you were wrong. You haven't apologized for jumping the gun and insulting me. You just cling onto whatever little thing you can in an attempt to discredit everything Ive said.

You're getting annoyed... LOL!!…. I show you my book. I say took me many years to organise poker theory into these Levels. You clearly dont understand how I deciphered the content of Level Two and what do you say to me? Huh?? Did you say; "Yadi, how did you conclude that value was Level Two?", "Yadi, what makes you think Level Two is purely defensive? NO. I'm sure the old boy realises that this is how rational conversations are held. He asked me in the usual way why it is that I said GTO was Level Infinity. But you, you didnt ask me in the usual way. You took the piss like a little child.

Block me, ban me, for what??? Many of your readers wont be happy, and once it comes out that I am correct I will tell everyone how the mods here blocked me just like they did at the big sites. I dont want to sit here and be insulted by yet another person suffering from this mental problem and so I honestly dont care a great deal what you do. I had high hopes for you when I went to sleep last night, I thought you might consider what I said in my last post and realise that I have mapped out these Levels accurately. But instead, you just skipped past it, moved onto something you dont understand and used that as the reason for everything i'm saying being wrong. You threaten to ban me. Lol. You have insulted me time and time again. You owe me an apology.. You wonna know the truth. The real reason you're unable to grasp this stuff. It's because your mind is inadequate. You have mental weaknesses which your mind takes advantage of to stop you from realising how the Levels really work.

Ban me if you want. Or, JUST SPEAK ABOUT THE EVIDENCE LIKE A GENTLEMAN!

I'm out of patience with people like you.

Pre-adjusting, as I describe on the book, is about making profit on future streets by getting the opponent to remove the hand we hold from our range on early streets. I dont bloody know how this would work in some made up world where nobody knows anyone can deceive one another. And you haven't given me any incentive to think it through.

So whats it going to be? You going to go back to the last problem you had, and accept that I did not pull the contents of Level Two from thin air. Perhaps throw in an apology??? Or you gonna block me for explaining all these different things that you dont understand?

I already know how this is going to go. Your mind is inadequate, but you do want to prove to yourself that your better than me. So go ahead...:f_zZz:


la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

No I don't use just that to discredit everything you have said. And I'm not discrediting everything anyway. You just said you figured it out, you are a genius and no one has ever explained that. I showed you that you really took an old thing and just invented a new name for that. I hoped to show you that if you did it with pre-adjusting, maybe the rest of the stuff is old news with new label too.

And what happened to value being level 2? What the f is level 2 really?
We play poker. When we develop our skills we start to gather more information. We get more aware of different things. When we get better we start using more information to make our moves. The levels of thinking have been there for a long time. We have put players on different skill levels based on how well their thinking skills have developed and what info they can take into account. You might have thought about some kind of a model of how our thinking works and what is the result but in the end you have just taken something that exists and gave it a new name. Level 2 being value comes from your head, it doesn't exist, it doesn't matter at all. You just wanted to call it that. That is it.

Poker players do not need levels. You need to be aware of your own hand, your range, your villain's range, the board and so on. You need to know theories and strategies. You need to be able to figure out optimal bet sizes in different spots. You need to know the population tendencies and exploit them. That is stuff we teach here. If you, in your imagination, give close to optimal play a new name "level infinity", then go ahead and do that. But the rest of us couldn't care less. If we want to know optimal play we read some books and play with solvers. Whether we call that GTO or level infinity or whatever doesn't matter. At all.

What happened to my level 776 being death from excess alcohol drinking? There is a clear causal chain that can be scientifically proved and I called it level 776. You tried to discredit that and say it was childish. But what happened to the proof that level 776 is death? No one has understood this before. I think everyone else has a cognitive dissonance and they are a bit stupid. I always win this argument because no one understands. You called me childish before too.

No I haven't once admitted that I'm wrong. That is because I have a very strong feeling that I'm not. I also haven apologized because I haven't insulted you. But you have insulted us.
I think it is very weird that you say almost everyone disagrees with you and doesn't understand you. Then you demand that 99.9% of the people you meet admit they are wrong but you can't do it yourself?

You clearly dont understand how I deciphered the content of Level Two and what do you say to me? Huh?? Did you say; "Yadi, how did you conclude that value was Level Two?", "Yadi, what makes you think Level Two is purely defensive?

Yea there are a lot of crazy things I don't understand. Like UFOs and such. And yea I didn't ask you how you figured out level two is value. You didn't ask me how I figured out level 776 is death. I kind of expected you to explain this thinking in your book. What is the point of just telling level X is Y without telling why? So please do tell us why is it so, where did it come from and why do we need it.

Block me, ban me, for what??? Many of your readers wont be happy, and once it comes out that I am correct I will tell everyone how the mods here blocked me just like they did at the big sites. I dont want to sit here and be insulted by yet another person suffering from this mental problem and so I honestly dont care a great deal what you do.

You are not being banned. I already told you that you are welcome here. I just said that sometimes crazy threads are closed if there is no real content, everyone is just trolling and we are going in circles. But let's hope that doesn't happen here and we can continue the great conversation :) I agree that our readers wouldn't be happy. I wouldn't be happy either. And about the big sites. If we are talking about poker sites, PokerStrategy is definitely one of the biggest ones.
And now again, "you don't want to get insulted by guys who have mental problems". So in the same sentence where you are accusing others of insulting you, you insult them.

You threaten to ban me. Lol. You have insulted me time and time again. You owe me an apology.. You wonna know the truth. The real reason you're unable to grasp this stuff. It's because your mind is inadequate. You have mental weaknesses which your mind takes advantage of to stop you from realising how the Levels really work.

And now we have reached level 5 where this got funny again :f_biggrin:
First, learn to read. No one threatened to ban you. It was quite the opposite. You said you have been banned everywhere and I told you you are welcome here.
After this you can also forget about getting any kind of an apology.
If I am the one having a mental weakness, at least I can find comfort in the fact that so has everyone else. But you know what. If there are a handful of people who see ghosts, it doesn't mean ghosts are real.

I'm out of patience with people like you.

Does this mean we won this time?

Pre-adjusting, as I describe on the book, is about making profit on future streets by getting the opponent to remove the hand we hold from our range on early streets.

Have you heard about slowplaying. I use the term a lot. The main idea why we don't want to go straight for value and we play our hand slow is to get opponent to remove those strong hands from our range.

So whats it going to be? You going to go back to the last problem you had, and accept that I did not pull the contents of Level Two from thin air. Perhaps throw in an apology??? Or you gonna block me for explaining all these different things that you dont understand?

I already know how this is going to go. You're mind is inadequate, but you do want to prove to yourself your better than me. So go ahead...:f_zZz:

Ummmh you probably don't know how it is going to be. Because the answer is neither. I'm not going to say that you didn't take level 2 from thin air. I'm definitely not going to throw in an apology. And for sure I am not going to ban anyone :f_biggrin: Except Constantin11 because he asked to be banned :f_pleased:


la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Could we write shorter posts? The only problem here is that these posts take so much time to read and write and these are TLDR for many. :pcuser: