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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Even a person that knows nothing of game theory can learn to recognize people that have certain tendencies

Yes and no. These tendencies can only be identified as such if you have a theoretical framework into which you compare them with what the norm would be.
For instance, you can't say "that guy has a 60% VIP so he's a whale and I'm gonna exploit him" if you don't already admit there is some kind of GTO-ish VPIP in this game which is significantly lower than 60%.
Knowing the whole theory background allows you to fully understand this and thus apply it even more often, instead of just being trained to indentify one type of whales and having one type of exploit against them.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
What we now call "balancing ranges" Doyle Brunson called "switching gears" -- he would raise garbage just like he would raise power hands.

Then he was applying a basic principle of Game Theory before it was known as such. Therefore no need to screw the theory, once again. The practice comes from the theory, it can't be any other way.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Game theory and range balancing are about pre-flop hand selection.

Not really, in fact preflop hands are EV+ or EV- is all, there is no polarisation principle about preflop play, contrary to what Matthew Janda thought in 2013 but has notoriously changed his mind about since.
Balancing isn't about "chosing another line to be fancy and surprise a thinking opponent", it's what naturally happens when you place each combo of your range into its line of maximal EV, as you should obviously aim at.
That's why a GTO play can also be defined as the MES against a nemesis opponent, namely the maximal exploitative strategy against an opponent playing perfectly.
Another useful way to see it is a game strategy without leaks. Pretty interesting to work on, in order to fix our own leaks and figure our opponents' leaks, no ?

Best wishes for a peaceful, prosperous 2020 too noble eagle ! _drink:


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012
MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88
In conclusion, Hold'em is weird.

Says the weirdest "banhauser" ever
Not sure I remember the correct word though. But if I made it up, all the better. You deserve a special weird word just for you. :P


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
Says the weirdest "banhauser" ever
Not sure I remember the correct word though. But if I made it up, all the better.

You indeed just invented a new word, but it may be here to stay.

I guess you may call me a "Hold'em-banhauser" now.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY

Originally posted by Harrier88
In conclusion, Hold'em is weird.

Says the weirdest "banhauser" ever
Not sure I remember the correct word though. But if I made it up, all the better. You deserve a special weird word just for you. :P

It is "Banause", Floxy. :mdr:

This German word means kind of ..."this person has no clue".

I use to call Harrier a big "Banause" when it comes to food combos :f_ugly::sifflote:


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

A little something ...

So I got better, studied a bit and also my session went better than before. Hit a couple of nice flops, hands were not spectacular but nice. Could make a little winning of 1 stack up, +4 €.

Started also work today after my nice and long vacation. Argh! Getting up early again :f_rolleyes:! Would have loved to throw my alarm clock at the wall, but I resisted and got up. Now I´m glad that I have done it, cause got all the work done for today and could play a nice little session. :f_thumbsup:


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Just for fun ...

Saturday is fun day and decided to play some Holdem-MTTs cause haven´t played Holdem for a while and had to use up a ticket on Unibet.

Had a 1€ MTT-ticket and decided to play the Falling Star Bounty (PKO)
Further played the 0,5€ Space Madness (PKO)
The 2.20 $ Bounty Hunter on Partypoker
1.10 $ Bounty Hunter on Partypoker

and of course "our" Troll-Freeroll on Titan with Harrier! :banana:

The tourney didn´t go well, both trolls didn´t make it ITM, I could build up a nice stack but then nothing worked out anymore, jammed Blind vs Blind with two pair and ran into a set of limped QQ.

2.20 $ Bounty Hunter: AA < JTo :f_ugly:
1.10 $ Bounty Hunter: QK < QJ
Falling Star Bounty: totally card-dead, emergency jam with 54s lost
Space Madness: TT < 67o :f_ugly:

So as we see, the MTTs were not really nice and busted early, so decided to pick up four cards.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Haven´t updated about CG for a while ....

So, it´s about time! As those who already know me can guess: high work load at the moment!

Gonna be pretty busy this week, got some urgent orders so gotta first finish some things before I think about grinding ..... next week work load is gonna be pretty normal again so that I will have more time to grind.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Just a little freeroll-fun ...

Pretty tired from this week: a lot of work and a hard tennis-practice today. So decided to play just the the "troll-freeroll" (German Freeroll on Titan) with Harrier. My story is pretty quickly told: I busted after 30 minutes. _o: What happened? I ran with a full house into quads and that was it for me. Harrier could hold on a bit longer but both trolls couldn´t make it ITM this time. _frown:

But we had fun and a very nice Skype-talk! _love:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I played 4 freerolls today.
2 went much like yours did, but I cashed the others, but not too big.

I've been studying NLHE cash ranges over the past week, and realized that I've been playing way too many hands, and playing way too weakly.

That having been said, most of the hands I won today were won because I bet the turn/river after everyone else had checked flop / turn.

Hope the coming week goes better for Harrier, you and myself of course


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Sleepy day

More of a sleepy day :f_o: Played some MTTs, the German Freeroll on Titan and the 2.20 $ Gladiator on Party (and of course some Omaha-MTTs), by my goodness! After a week of high workload and a highly intensive tennis practice it was not really a great idea to play poker :mdr: Caught the "greatest" combination ever possible: sleepy, tired and card-dead!! :f_o: Had to be really careful not to fall asleep at the tabels! :f_o:

Don´t know how much I can grind next week, but got another week of high workload ahead .... :f_ugly:


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

A troll at the FT

Could play that much CG during the last weeks due to high workload but Saturday is MTT day and Harrier and I played again "our" Troll-Freeroll on Titan. Even though I was very tired from tennis practice, I could manage to play some decent poker. Unfortunately my troll-friend busted in the middle of the tourney. I could hold on and make a couple of double ups. Found myself at the FT where I could douple up twice but then the pokergod left me and I was card-dead. Blinded down to a shortie I could ladder up massively and beeing one of the last 3 players at the table I pick up 99. Jam it in but unfortunately 99 < KT.

3rd place for me and 30€

Cannot complain....


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Popeye993
Joined: 19.09.2010

Congratulations to the 3rd place!

I played that tourney, too yesterday (for the first time) and saw a few of your preflop all-in double-ups (winning with 66 vs ATs and with 88 vs AQ) :appl:
Personally, I missed the ITM ranks (got kicked out a few places before; also blinded down and then getting busted on a preflop all-in with KJ vs AT).

Was more lucky on one of those $250 Titan tourneys on Thursday (I still have deposit tickets for them). Used only one of those tickets and ended up on 6th place (out of 187 if I remember correctly)... Must be weird to play against yourself when using multiple entries, ending up at the final table... :)

But I am certainly not made for tourneys...they take way too long for my liking. In above-mentioned $250 tourney it took me 3 3/4 hours to make a mere $12.50 for my 6th place. Well, I did not have to pay any buy-in, so of course I can't complain...just saying. :)
I really prefer cash game; yesterday, playing NL10, I was up more than 2 stacks in a session that took less than 1 hour (obviously it doesn't always work out that nicely...). And I still dislike that massive weight increase of luck vs skill in those phases when you are low on BBs and either push or fold preflop.

Well, that being said, I also have 2 tickets for the 10k Monthly Bonanza, so I will play that one, too... The blind levels will increase faster (every 5 minutes instead of 10), but considering the plenty of players that will be registered for that one, it already horrifies me to imagine how long it might take (unless you get kicked out early of course)... 8-o But at least the potential reward will be more lucrative...

Anyway, again, congrats to your success yesterday.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Was too tired yesterday ....

so forgot to write that besides in PLO I made another final table. Harrier and I played again "our" nice little "troll freeroll", besides I played a 1 $ Bounty Hunter on Titan. Busted in the 1$ Bounty Hunter with JJ < KTo :f_ugly: but could FT the freeroll. There, I picked up QQ and after zillions of limpers I jammed with 17 BB stack, got called by AQo, and of course this crappy ace comes on the flop :facepalm: 9th place and ITM for me.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

A final table in a freeroll is quite an accomplishment!
How many runners in it?


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
A final table in a freeroll is quite an accomplishment!
How many runners in it?

Mostly like 45-50...


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Finally some time of CG ...

Could play some NL4 on Unibet and this time I played better. Also got some better cards. But there was not so much action as in PLO. Could get value from some calling stations but otherwise. A couple of good hands and 1 stack up!


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by Primrose6789

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
A final table in a freeroll is quite an accomplishment!
How many runners in it?

Mostly like 45-50...

For some further clarification, this is a weekly freeroll tournament on TitanPoker which is only open to German players. The player pool is small and cashes are typically starting at or near the final table ranks, usually with the mincash around €5 and the top prize around €50.

Prim and I definitely prefer this state of affairs over the common big field freerolls with thousands of players, mincashes of a few cents and pointlessly flat payout structures, which is why we have been playing it fairly consistently for a few months by now, hence the nickname "troll freeroll". :coolface:

It has proven to be a decent bankroll builder for both of us at zero risk, which is why I choose to stick around as well, despite my relative lack of both skill and interest in NL Hold'em. Plus, it's quite fun for Primrose and I, who usually go our separate ways at the poker tables, to meet together in the same tournament for once.


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Popeye993
Joined: 19.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88

Prim and I definitely prefer this state of affairs over the common big field freerolls with thousands of players...

Perfectly understandable.

I did not play the "German Freeroll" this Saturday. Instead I played the monthly 10K Bonanza yesterday (3 entries). Not quite thousands of players (about 870); blind levels increasing every 5 minutes.
Got busted with all three entries around 250th place (ITM started at 144th if I remember correctly). Plenty of preflop all-in hands during the tourney where I was well ahead preflop, at the flop and the turn...only to then repeatedly getting kicked out by a lucky river card for the opponents...LOL
(But to be fair, once, earlier in the tourney, I got lucky, too. Low in blinds, I pushed KTs all-in and won against AA, with the K being on the flop and the lucky T coming on the river. The classic, right? Seems to be rare that Aces are holding till the river...(lost a few stacks in a cash game session a few days back with AA...))
Well, at least I already dropped out after 1 hr 15 minutes...would have been more frustrating to get kicked out hours later just before reaching the ITM ranks (one needs to see the positive side... ;) )

On that occasion I noticed that my PT4 HUDs apparently do not work when multi-tabling in tourneys. At 2 of the three tables they were working for the first few hands and then disappeared, only remaining on one table.
Should you know what might be the reason, any advice would be appreciated.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Oh boy, two more days to go ...

...and this high work load is gonna end! Had really really high work load during the past weeks, so couldn´t play that much. But yesterday I finally could hit the MTT-tables, was my fun-day and Harrier and I played our "troll freeroll" (German freeroll on Titan) again. This time we could both pretty quickly double up and even triple up. I was big stack at the beginning until the middle of the tourney and then nothing worked out anymore: junk hands, totally missed flops, lost coinflips. Almost the same for Harrier. Both trolls busted shortly before ITM :f_ugly:

I also played the 0,5€ Space Madness Bounty on Unibet, where I could K.O three Villains and place 4th. On PartyPoker I played three Bounty Hunters: 2.20 $ and two 1.10 $, in one of them I came ITM and placed 79th, could KO three Villains as well.

My yesterdays session ended totally break even but Harrier and I had a lot of fun!

Got two more days with high workload and then everything should got back to normal. Aaaaw, two days to go. I´m pretty exhausted ...:f_mad:


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