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[Closed] 10+1 super stack set 22 vs ugly turn

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jozata
Joined: 30.07.2008

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 80/160 Blinds (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button (t3795)
SB (t4640)
BB (t9300)
UTG (t4282)
Hero (UTG+1) (t10540)
MP1 (t11180)
MP2 (t6455)
MP3 (t11000)
CO (t17630)

Hero's M: 43.92

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 2, 2
1 fold, Hero calls t160, 2 folds, MP3 bets t400, CO calls t400, 2 folds, BB calls t240, Hero calls t240

Flop: (t1680) 2, 9, 6 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1000, MP3 calls t1000, 1 fold, BB calls t1000

Turn: (t4680) Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t2750, MP3 calls t2750, BB raises to t7900 (All-In), Hero raises to t9140 (All-In), MP3 calls t6390

River: (t30860) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t30860

Villains-unknown.Is it best to donk out here or is c/r better?Can I get out of my hand on the turn?If MP3 folds to my shove I need 21% equity and if he calls I need 20% which is exactly how much I have against a flush but is it worth the risk and can the hand be played in a different way?


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imo c/r in that spot is best you can expect that some1 will bet on flop wit that action preflop

as played check turn and see what happens your hand is actually not that strong on that turn vs 2 players calling you on flop


veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Hello jozata,

Flop: Either way, betting should be fine to protect from draws and as well might even consider like Check/Raising.
Turn: I'd even consider Checking behind here since we are in multiway pot and it's very likely that someone had the FD on flop. They will anyways have hard time Calling with a lot worse pairs or anything else. Rather Check and take a look what kind of actions gonna be. But as you did bet then there is not much to do, this means you wanting to go broke.

Best regards.


00Visor
Joined: 26.11.2007

I guess donking is okay, if you don't think MP3 will cbet often (not so likely on this board vs 3) or CO bets in position.
Then check/raise would be better.

Like veriz and bonebt I would check behind the turn. The Q :heart: is a very bad card, it not only gives your opponents a possible flush, it makes them less likely to call a bet with some single pair.
When you bet, you are committing yourself as you have Full House Outs vs Flushes and therefore always enough equity.

If both check river again, you can still put a valuebet on the river. You probably wouldn't shove the river if you bet turn, so I like checking turn way more than checking river.


jozata
Joined: 30.07.2008

So how do I react if CO bets 2/3 pot on the turn?


00Visor
Joined: 26.11.2007

Originally posted by jozata
So how do I react if CO bets 2/3 pot on the turn?

I guess you mean MP3.
If BB shoves, you can fold. If BB calls, you can overcall for your Full House Outs.
If BB folds, it`s a bit tricky, but since he is betting after 2 checks, I would shove and expect him to fold some trashy hands and call with Qx.
Against really weak/passive opponents you may directly fold or only call if he is betting not so big on the turn.


jozata
Joined: 30.07.2008

Yeah,meant MP3,sorry.Thanks for the answer.


fusionpk
Joined: 21.01.2010

lol i think c/r flop is quite bad, definitely not guarantee'd a cbet here, sure maybe someone might bet but definitely i think betting is better

turn i might c/f vs lots of action and c/c vs smaller action, we dont beat much from value range multiway