Nl25 sh AA vs flop raise

snaker3

Joined: 09.11.2007

Posts: 174

04.07.2011, 10:24 0

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$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP3$53.73:///////;CO$25.00:///////;BU$93.86:///////;SB$63.88:///////;BB$49.11:///////;MP2 (Hero)$68.50:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A:s, A:h.
Hero raises to $1.00, MP3 calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.1) 5:s, T:c, 8:h (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, MP3 raises to $10.00, CO folds, BB folds, hero-?

aggro, raise 63%cb should I call or raise?

3 replies

StaticMoth

Joined: 22.05.2009

Posts: 2,642

05.07.2011, 06:34 0

Call, the board is superdry and you're 200bb+ deep.

You want to potcontrol vs sets/2p and let him bluff/valuetown himself with TP/JJ/overs+gutter/OESD etc

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Bierbaer

Joined: 27.05.2005

Posts: 3,322

05.07.2011, 08:11 0

Originally posted by snaker3
should I call or raise?

Fold!

Originally posted by StaticMoth
Call, the board is superdry and you're 200bb+ deep.

Exactly, we rep QQ+ here and there are 2 people left to act after this guy, so he will pretty much never have a bluff.
Also we're 200BB deep so he can put us in terrible spots - if he continues barreling we will get to the SD about 0% of the time unless we hit an A.
Additional to that our range is very defined, we will c/c the turn and at this point he can be pretty sure we have an overpair at best so a big riverbet (vs which we fold) is mandatory for him.
Lastly the board is not dry at all, since we're so deep there are a ton of straightdraws he can have.
Any 4, 9, J, Q are scarecards besides the cards that pair the board.

Originally posted by StaticMoth
You want to potcontrol vs sets/2p

Vs those we don't want to potcontrol - we want to fold ;).

Originally posted by StaticMoth
and let him bluff/valuetown himself with TP/JJ/overs+gutter/OESD etc

As explained above, his bluffingrange is non-existant.

Variance giveth and variance taketh away.

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StaticMoth

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05.07.2011, 08:44 0

Originally posted by Bierbaer

Originally posted by StaticMoth
You want to potcontrol vs sets/2p

Vs those we don't want to potcontrol - we want to fold ;).

Duh, I'm rusty/bad phrasing

But still I guess we'd need to know more about villain to make the decision ...
Things like "our range is well defined as QQ+" and "he knows he can make us fold by barreling just because of our defined range and the very fact that the board is pretty innocent/dry looking, so he's repping big strength"

Those things/thought processes and NL25 don't really go hand in hand.

On the other hand, nobody rly folds strong overpairs @NL25 so that goes to show that bluffs rly should be unlikely here.

But still, since it's NL25 I would expect to see ppl overplay their medium strength hands on such boards coz they might think "Oh, this board doesn't hit him and I don't want any overcards to come, so I raise for value/protection"

Seems very weak to me to just muck it right then and there ...
"Don't play AA deepstacked vs aggro players" ?

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