Random card generators AUDITED?!

been playing micro for 3 yrs... This is what i experienced

1. Premiun HAND AA and KK CANT always win...
*Just lost my AK to A8 few mins ago... big pot, n does not make sense he called my all in, in real poker world. However in micro, anything is POSSIBLE.

2. More or less Lucky hand play more vital role than skills

3. In the LONG RUN solid player always outrun lucky, fish or donkey players :). The problem is how long is your Bank ROLL can take it?

I play 0.10 - $1.50 table, cash or MTT or STT with over 50% ROI at the moment.

Hey Justin thanks for the feedback, i agree with everything you say, the best hand hand can't win every time this much is true, we have to get get swallowed up by the fishies some of the time lol.

My issue is the lack of solid evidence to show that the card generators are working efficiently for the players.

I copied this off of a site which has analysed 1,360,000 hands. This is what they had to say:

We have been monitoring all-in situations at PokerStars.com for the past year and we have come to the conclusion that the games at this site are unfair and biased toward poor play. Read on to see our methodology.

How we tracked it:
By using 15 different computers running PokerStars software and each monitoring five tournament tables at once, we were able to isolate nearly 1.4 million hands where two or more players were all in against each other preflop. These hands were then grouped into three categories: 80/20 (i.e. pair vs. pair), 70/30 (i.e. AK vs. AQ), and 60/40 (i.e. JT vs. 45). We broke these matchups down and analyzed each. After reviewing all hands, we would expect the higher of two pocket pairs to hold up 81% of the time and tie about 0.5%. We would expect a high card hand matching neither of the opponent's cards to hold up roughly 59% of the time, with about 1.1% ending in a tie. Finally, we would expect dominating hands to win 71% of the time with 1.1% ending in a tie. The margin of error for win percentages is +- 1.7%.

The results:
In coinflip situations PokerStars worked out as expected, with a tiny advantage to the pocket pair of roughly 1.5%.
In 60/40 situations PokerStars worked out roughly as expected, favoring the weaker hand only .8% more often than expected, well within our margin of error.
In 80/20 situations we saw a little bit of deviation. The smaller pocket pair actually won 26.3% of the time, and the higher pair winning only 72.7% of the time. This is a well outside of our margin of error by nearly triple!
In 70/30 situations things get even worse. The lesser of the two hands wins a whopping 41% of the time, a full 10% more than it should! With more than 475,000 hands to analyze, this is more than a simple statistical anomaly. This is downright fradulent.

Could everyone please sign this petition to carry out a full audit of online poker sites.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/british-government-carry-out-a-full-audit-of-online-poker-sites#share

Fairness and equality for everyone.

Looks like you managed to stumble upon this site: http://fuckpokerstars.com/

No offense, but that site is pretty much a joke. Relying on information from that site isn't something you want to do, especially not the emails section (though it has some pretty hilarious content!). In all honesty, that site is a big joke. Someone just had too much time on their hands and decided to ''prove" that online poker is rigged.

There is no reason not to assume random number generators do what they are supposed to do: generate random numbers which correspond to cards. While their are hardly any truly perfect random number generators, if any at all, if there is some margin of error it will be very marginal. You can expect every card to have the same change of being dealt as any other.

Is online poker rigged/flawed? Most likely, the answer is no. If you have enough skill, you will be able to outplay the fish. Sure they'll get their lucky breaks, but so will you. In the end a flip is just a flip: both players will win 50% of the time in the long run, not one 55% of the time and the other 45% of the time.

If you still insist the information on that site is trustworthy, take a look at the email section. Honestly, relying on this site for solid information is like relying on waterboat's strategies to be a winning poker player.

to be fair, the over 1m hands analysis originates from http://www.stinkingcool.com/ afaik (fuckpokerstars straight away copied it from there)

is it "rigged" in any way? it could be, we might never know. i think it's at least fair enough to me.

on online petitions, to cut it right to the point... they suck and no one cares.
if you want to get something going, try to get a lot of people (and a lot of hands) and hire some lawyers to get some action going live or something.

where is all that analysis published?
Post the link to that investigation.

Who says that 1 and a half million hands is enough?

Do you use some statistics program such a as Hold em Manager o Pokertracker? you have a good amount of information to analyze how the cards are being dealt to you, but you need a huge sample data.

Originally posted by Tomaloc
to be fair, the over 1m hands analysis originates from http://www.stinkingcool.com/ afaik (fuckpokerstars straight away copied it from there)

Thanks for that. Didn't know that.

Another site to visit if I want to have some laughs

on online petitions, to cut it right to the point... they suck and no one cares.
if you want to get something going, try to get a lot of people (and a lot of hands) and hire some lawyers to get some action going live or something.

I'll have to agree with this. Something like this is just bound to fail.

So unless someone is willing to spend a crapload of money on this, such an investigation is most likely never going to happen.

Originally posted by Tomaloc
to be fair, the over 1m hands analysis originates from http://www.stinkingcool.com/ afaik (fuckpokerstars straight away copied it from there)

is it "rigged" in any way? it could be, we might never know. i think it's at least fair enough to me.

on online petitions, to cut it right to the point... they suck and no one cares.
if you want to get something going, try to get a lot of people (and a lot of hands) and hire some lawyers to get some action going live or something.

That two sites are epic!

lol

Hey TinoLaan, yeah the content is quite hilarious, but at the same time its easy to take something and belittle it and make fun and see it as a joke. But there is a point to be made, do we want fair play? thats my only real issue.

Nobody seen black friday coming unless they were connected, that has made me lose some faith in the game and the people behind it.

Tomaloc, Fair enough doesnt quite cut it to be honest. if you're all in EV is 2-3% lower than it should be over a substantial number of hands, its not really good enough.

I would just like to point out that at no time have i made any claim that any site has a faulty RNG i just havent been shown any proof that states otherwise. i have emailed full tilt. they sent me a link to their page. it was a statement that they were GLI tested but no actual figures.

Hence why i posted here looking for answers?

well yeah, i agree that if i am losing (or winning) 2-3% more than i should that's bad, but i don't have anywhere near a substantial number of hands to make any claim either way.

i am also not claiming that sites have or don't have faulty rng, obv poker companies aren't any kind of holy entity, but i personally don't find it something worth worrying about because there's pretty much nothing that i can do about it and i don't play for a living.
thankfully, though, there are a lot of people that actively worry about that so i hope they get somewhere ♦

I don't play for a living either, but if i did i would rather play live i think, at least i could berate the dealer about their bad dealing lol. I started playing more regularly recently when tilt gave me diamond status to reeel me back in, Iv already made my deposit in rake this week so i'm free rolling but that's another blog

and have effective variance be much higher due to the much lower volume you can get... live is obviously more +EV though if you have the monies, the nerves to withstand the variance and don't get bored.

on the thread subject here's another pretty know page http://www.ispokerrigged.com/