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nl100 turned trips vs fish in 3b pot

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ciachooooo
Joined: 02.01.2010

he is agro fish, 44/26 with 5% 3bet

oepns almost the same range from each possition, on HJ it is 38%

total fold vs 3b 16%

my notes doesn't say anything relevant here, standard fish plays (but specyficly, like sizing etc), not value betting stron enough with nuts, chasing draws too optymisticly

wtsd 38, wwsf 49

afq 34/40/45

in 3b pots:
- fold vs cb 32/29/43
- cb 96/94/83 (but yeah, his range is strong)
- raise cb 16/23/0
- bet IP vs missed cb 65/77/44

Against such a wide range, and given his stats (looks like he give's up river in 3b pots) my plan was to x/c x/c x/f, expecting him to bet bet xbeh strange stuff like 88, Q5s or many others

1) how do you like this plan?
2) more important: how does it modify on this turn? he still bets, so no point in leading turn... basicly it is between x/c turn, x river (x/c turn, lead river doesn't do anything better than x/shove turn, and is sooo worse if he has draw) or x/shove turn. why x/shove turn? I don't expect river bet from his bluffs, probably not from A7 etc. So we protect our hand + get value in case he calls with Ax thinking we can semibluff.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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$0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$115.45:///////;BU$158.77:///////;SB (Hero)$100.50:///////;BB$100.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with J:d, K:c.
CO raises to $2.00, BU folds, Hero raises to $8.00, BB folds, CO calls $6.00.

Flop: ($17) 3:h, K:s, A:d (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12.00, Hero calls $12.00.

Turn: ($41) K:d (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $21.00, Hero ???


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oblioo
Joined: 02.10.2012

Your initial plan seems good, but... do you have a bluffing range for c/shoving turn? Not a lot would make sense, except for maybe literally 1 combo of QJdd that you could play this way. So definitely call turn, and then you can lead river small (like 1/4 pot) for value in case he decides to either bluffraise or call with Ax which he'd otherwise check back.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Vs an aggro fish raising Turn would be bad.

River: You want to give him rope to bluff again so leading large is not good. So either check again, or make some inducer bet as oblioo suggested. I'm not too sure how much better an inducer bet is compared to a check.

If he would often bet twice and check back AX, then the inducer bet is better to maximize value against him. If the smaller inducer bet is likely to make him spazz raise, then obviously it's better too.

But I think checking is probably better against someone who will just randomly 3-barrel in such a spot so I prefer checking.


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ciachooooo
Joined: 02.01.2010

Originally posted by oblioo
Your initial plan seems good, but... do you have a bluffing range for c/shoving turn? Not a lot would make sense, except for maybe literally 1 combo of QJdd that you could play this way. So definitely call turn, and then you can lead river small (like 1/4 pot) for value in case he decides to either bluffraise or call with Ax which he'd otherwise check back.

why are you asking about bluffing range? only thing that comes to my mind is that you probably didn't notice it's against fish, I would never ever try to balance my game against fish

if that's not the case, answering your question: no I don't have bluffing range here against him


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oblioo
Joined: 02.10.2012

Even fish have some grasp on hand reading, even though they probably don't call it that. My point is that it is likely this player will realize you are never bluffing there, so I'd rather call and lead the river as advocated earlier.


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