NL25 Zoom QQ

Why its a standard call COvBB? The only reason for calling is his betsizing tell, but otherwise...

And your line is ... I don't understand. You think that you don't have the best hand preflop, but then suddenly on turn its the best hand? ♦

With that bet sizing BF usually as I said before it can be JJ, AK, AQ as well QQ+. I f he has also hand like A4s, K5s etc. then I want to keep them in so QQ is easy (read standard) call. If I 4bet and he pushes I am in bad shape. The only question is about turn push.

Vs standard betsizings - still "standard" call?

vs unknown zoom player, standard call.

Originally posted by flea1
vs unknown zoom player, standard call.

And whats your stacking off range? AA?

Hi there flea1,

I think you are fundamentally wrong in your approach to call 3bets and 4bets. What you are saying is pretty much "villain has a bluff 3bet range, hence I call to keep that in his range". But by that argument you are never 4betting anything for value since villains pretty much always have a bluff range so you always find that reason to call the 3bet.

What you should do is take the line which has the highest EV for our hand. And specificaly with QQ I would say it's pretty much always best to 4bet/stack it off in these postitions. You have a clearly profitable all in spot (between the folds you get and the Equity you have versus a range that has JJ+/AK and the ocasional bluff) and QQ is not really a hand you want to be "slowplaying" since you let villain realize his equity with his bluffs, which most of the time have 30% equity. You should call the 3bet with hands which are marginal or not profitable to 4bet/stack off, like AQ or TT, since calling will probably have a highest EV than 4betting.

Stacking range BF AA,KK, AKo.
I am 4bet form CT vs BB 4,9% range (KK, AhAs, AhAc, AsAc, AJs-ATs, K9s-K8s, Q9s, AQo+, KQo) and calling 3,85% of hands (QQ-99, AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, AQs+, KQs, T9s, 98s, 87s).
Hmm, is there something wrong with that? (maby there is, that is why I am here in this forum )

Excuse me for being dumb , but where is that obvious betsizing tell?

Originally posted by ggiants81
Excuse me for being dumb , but where is that obvious betsizing tell?

His sizing should be 2.50$

Originally posted by flea1
Stacking range BF AA,KK, AKo.
I am 4bet form CT vs BB 4,9% range (KK, AhAs, AhAc, AsAc, AJs-ATs, K9s-K8s, Q9s, AQo+, KQo) and calling 3,85% of hands (QQ-99, AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, AQs+, KQs, T9s, 98s, 87s).
Hmm, is there something wrong with that? (maby there is, that is why I am here in this forum )

I don't think you need AA combos in your 3bet calling range, but okay, not a big issue. Calling QQ is a big issue, you should 4bet for value. AQo is a call, even KQo is a call unless we know he is really nitty. 4betting AJs is not okay IMO, standard call. Don't know why you folding all KJ and continuing with K8s-K9s. I would 4bet/fold KJo (and ATo) and call the 3bet with KJs and ATs.

I don't see a big rationale to fold hands like QJs, KTs or JTs and call 87s-T9s.