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T8s NL50 RUSH

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tywin
Joined: 05.03.2008

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 174.4 BB (VPIP: 21.40, PFR: 17.90, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 1,106)
SB: 140.5 BB (VPIP: 22.96, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 143)
BB: 165.5 BB (VPIP: 23.05, PFR: 17.80, 3Bet Preflop: 6.75, Hands: 1,536)
UTG: 101.9 BB (VPIP: 19.78, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 185)
MP: 107.1 BB (VPIP: 18.13, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 497)
Hero (CO): 110 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♠ T♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 20 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (41.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥ 7♦ K♠
Hero bets 21 BB, BTN calls 21 BB

Turn: (83.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠
Hero bets 69 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

Hero wins 79.4 BB

Villain has 17% 3bet vs CO open from the BTN and 100% (1/1) fold 3bet to 4bet on the BTN so I decided to 4bet. Flop cbet is standard I think but I wasn't sure about turn. I picked up a flush draw but once he calls flop and Q hits on the river I cant see what hand would fold to a shove except a pure float ?( .
I would expect him to go all in preflop with AA,KK and maybe AK and QQ but he could also be just calling and trapping me. I mean I only 4bet because I thought he would fold his light 3bets.

What do you think? Is my shove on the turn OK?


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

Hi there tywin,

you are making a fairly big mistake when evaluating this pre flop spot, your valuing things I don't think you should value. For instance, in 1.1k hands in sample I don't think you can rely in a stat as specific as "3bet BU vs CO". You should instead look at more general and reliable stats, like VPIP/PFR and 3bet overall, maybe 3bet BU overall.

So, 4betting T8s is an overadjustment, if you think villain is 3betting really wide then expand you bluff 4bet range but don't go this wide. Maybe use AQo, KQo, AJo, ATo and KJo, and that's already a lot of combos and really exploitative.

As played, post flop I think it's decent the way you played, although I would x/f this flop, we should better hands to cbet bluff this situation. Turn we have to shove once we turn a FD, we can't really do anything else, villain is likely to fold enough for us to have a profitable shove.


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