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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

PokerStars - $69+$6|300/600 Ante 70 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 9,277
SB: 11,381 (VPIP: 14.47, PFR: 10.09, 3Bet Preflop: 7.23, Hands: 237)
BB: 19,630 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 18.37, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 148)
UTG: 16,990 (VPIP: 16.99, PFR: 13.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.13, Hands: 1,092)
UTG+1: 4,215 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 21,257 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP+1: 19,040 (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP+2: 26,900 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 29,548 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 14.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.04, Hands: 683)

9 players post ante of 70, SB posts SB 300, BB posts BB 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,530) Hero has J♣ 9♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 600, SB calls 300, BB checks

Flop: (2,430, 3 players) 3♥ 9♦ 2♣
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 1,200, fold, BB calls 1,200

Turn: (4,830, 2 players) 3♠
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4,830, 2 players) J♥
BB bets 17,760 and is all-in, Hero????

i limp cos i dont wnat to r/f this hand an i had shove over LP open just hand before this

what do u think should we bet turn or ch is fine to take value on river... as played should we call or (why)?


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BubbleNedRum
Joined: 13.02.2011

clearly calling.
flop does not hit our range at all and it looks like you are stabbing/give up.
additionally we are at our top end, do you ever come to the river with a better hand as played?


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by BubbleNedRum
clearly calling.
flop does not hit our range at all and it looks like you are stabbing/give up.
additionally we are at our top end, do you ever come to the river with a better hand as played?

its not our range that is the problem...
what is villain range as played ch/c F ch/ch T over shove/R???


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Is limping BU new trend at pokerstars :P
Personally I think river is call, since he should open shove or raise pre-flop 99/33/22- he likely is going to call flop some 54 type hands. You usually doesn´t have anything to call his river shove and most players are not shoving river 3x, since they just don´t get called often enough (unless player is complete fish).

best regards,


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Preflop limp seems pretty standard. You can defend a raise in position as well and almost play fit-or-fold postflop decently.

Flop fine, turn fine.

On the river you have to think whether this opponent will decide to size his 54/A4/64/65 like this. He may shove A4 preflop as well. Why is he shoving those hands instead of betting smaller? If you think he shoves them, how often will he elect to shove them? Will he bluff 2x as well (and why? That is: is he specifically targetting your occasional 9x hands??) Will he bet J2 for value? This sizing? You'll end up finding that he just has 3x way too often, and we can make an exploitative fold against his exploitative sizing.


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

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TheRebuz
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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Preflop limp seems pretty standard. You can defend a raise in position as well and almost play fit-or-fold postflop decently.

Flop fine, turn fine.

On the river you have to think whether this opponent will decide to size his 54/A4/64/65 like this. He may shove A4 preflop as well. Why is he shoving those hands instead of betting smaller? If you think he shoves them, how often will he elect to shove them? Will he bluff 2x as well (and why? That is: is he specifically targetting your occasional 9x hands??) Will he bet J2 for value? This sizing? You'll end up finding that he just has 3x way too often, and we can make an exploitative fold against his exploitative sizing.

I agree i tank till the end and coudnt find fold at the end...
I think way too often villain had me crushed on river as played but i dont think that is easy fold in game?
Just wonder how often do u fold in this spots in game??? Like always or very rare??


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Not an easy fold at all. But that is why we:

1. hide results when posting hands.
2. try to analyze and empathize with our opponent's thought processes here.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

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