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Fidel22
Joined: 05.12.2008

UTG

IPoker, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $130.90 (130.9 bb)
BB: $101.75 (101.8 bb)
UTG: $164.47 (164.5 bb)
MP: $40.50 (40.5 bb)
CO: $185.94 (185.9 bb)
BTN: $113.85 (113.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero raises to $11, BB folds, UTG calls $8

Flop: ($23) 9 T 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $13.50, UTG raises to $31, Hero ?

Thx!


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

You block really many draws which is quite bad, but he is raising agro so i would call flop shove good turn.


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

^by shove good turn you mean donk or check raise? If donk then why not shove here? We're not really thaaat deep (130bb) and he did make a pretty big 3bet.

I think we should decide between shoving and folding flop. Leaning towards folding here.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

I meant cr turn.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

I can never get the pastebins to work.

But my initial reaction is.....is he really going to have much of a bluff-raising range here after we 3b him pf SB vs UTG?

Our situation is not going to improve much on many turns and rivers. It's debatable whether we should continue flop here. He might have a high raise flop in general, but does he bluff raise in this specific situation?


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Originally posted by w34z3l
I can never get the pastebins to work.

But my initial reaction is.....is he really going to have much of a bluff-raising range here after we 3b him pf SB vs UTG?

Our situation is not going to improve much on many turns and rivers. It's debatable whether we should continue flop here. He might have a high raise flop in general, but does he bluff raise in this specific situation?

I agree that villians bluff less vs tight ranges, but still he is very agro. He also raises big which looks more as getting committed with a strong draw or protecting vs bad cards. So yeah QQ is crashed vs such range. He can even play KK+ that way.
Do you fold KK+?


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Yeah, I think also he might do this with KK/AA from time to time, so KK is clearly a stronger hand than QQ for us.

I can still see myself folding KK though.

I'm not sure what kind of sample hero has on villain. I would check his raise vs flop cbet (specific for 3bet pots), I would also check his ft3bet and rfi in EP, and if the sample is big enough I would even see how much he x/r the flop in this exact situation along with any history/showdown-info.


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Fidel22
Joined: 05.12.2008

Stats:

Spoiler

According to Equilab, I'm not as ahead as I thought:

pokerstrategy.com
Board: Ts9h4s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 61.54% 61.54% 0.00% { TT-99, AdAh, AdAc, AhAc, KdKh, KdKc, KhKc, AsKs, AsJs, KsJs, Ts9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, AdKs, AhKs, AsKd, AsKh, AsKc, AcKs }
MP3 38.46% 38.46% 0.00% { QdQs }


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Originally posted by Fidel22
Stats:

Spoiler

According to Equilab, I'm not as ahead as I thought:

pokerstrategy.com
Board: Ts9h4s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 61.54% 61.54% 0.00% { TT-99, AdAh, AdAc, AhAc, KdKh, KdKc, KhKc, AsKs, AsJs, KsJs, Ts9s, 9s8s, 8s7s, AdKs, AhKs, AsKd, AsKh, AsKc, AcKs }
MP3 38.46% 38.46% 0.00% { QdQs }

What range did you analyse? Is it your equity vs his flop defend range? or vs his raise range?


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