[SH] River bet after min-R F and ch back T

I would overbet river myself to make him fold all top pairs (almost whole range) unless i have bluffy image.

If he is agro i would call river and expect it to be slightly +EV

Consdering buttons image and the way the hand was played i think we have to call here.

River x/c should be fine, but marginal.

Gingerkid's line probably the strongest. He's capped and we can potentially fold out the majority of his range.

Originally posted by w34z3l
River x/c should be fine, but marginal.

Gingerkid's line probably the strongest. He's capped and we can potentially fold out the majority of his range.

Just watch out they dont know you are only bluffing this spot otherwise you will have to change to another tracked casino where people dont know your range

Originally posted by GingerKid

Originally posted by w34z3l
River x/c should be fine, but marginal.

Gingerkid's line probably the strongest. He's capped and we can potentially fold out the majority of his range.

Just watch out they dont know you are only bluffing this spot otherwise you will have to change to another tracked casino where people dont know your range

Hehe, I'm pretty sure that this doesn't happen that often and those guys are not that observant to make such a solid read... Ok, thanks for all the replies guys, take care...

Well you have already quite nice upswing with casino selection
NL1000 looking at least to me as NL50 or lower. I will not ask which one it is, because anyway you will not answer it

You can PM me, maybe I'll give you a hint

Originally posted by GingerKid
Well you have already quite nice upswing with casino selection
NL1000 looking at least to me as NL50 or lower. I will not ask which one it is, because anyway you will not answer it

One of those swedish sites, maybe it's really 50nl ♦

You mean they have high salaries in Sweden so for them Nl1000 is like Nl50 in other countries? Are only Citizent of Sweden allowed to play there? I heard Italian casinos are very fishy at high limits.

No it's not Swedish...

You can drop me a line at aycarramba123@yahoo.com if you wan't more info... Don't want to spread it around here

The flop raise to me makes zero sense. I'd expect calls with all of his nut hands, coz they face no danger of a free card and it would be a pretty good idea to keep the weak player in the hand methinks...

It looks to me like a 89s or J9s type hand. Maybe T7s, but that's only one combo with blockers in heros hand and on the board. I'd probably lead just about every turn for about 1/2 pot, that didn't complete his draws or allow him more spaz opportunities (like this ace).

I think given odds, river is a pretty +ev call. Even if BTN is not completely spastic. When he is spastic (which looks likely), :fistpump: call.

You guys are crazy with your overbets

Overbet is vs average reg who didnt see you bluffing around 90-100% FE (filtered from my database, i nearly never get called if spot is chosen correctly as here) and call will provide you around Breakeven EV. I am sure there are many regs who never bluff 1/2 pot after this action in this spot (like me) but will thin value bet.

Also i agree that from gto point his raise makes not much sense, but exploitatively it might make. E.g. I love to value raise dry boards vs regs because most of the time they think it doesnt make sense to raise strong hands so it is bluff. Also imo from gto point it is not clear if it is gto to raise strong hands on dry board. Raising on dry board especially lower as this one doesnt let villian freeroll 100% of time, also we can raise double more combos as bluff comparimg to call flop and raise turn.

Dry/wet boards shouldn't effect whether you raise or not from a gto perspective, it's mostly about equity and equity distribution.

His raise from a gto sense probably makes more sense than an exploitative sense. But 3 way, with a fish, can throw GTO out the window.
Don't like the raise, coz the fish is in the blinds and there is no reason to scare him away, exploitatively.

Maybe he also raises QQ-JJ type hands, which would make the spot a little more interesting. In which case, on the river hero could shove some hands like TT and sometimes some Tx, KTs wouldn't be bad a bad hand to do it with sometimes. And hero should probably be betting a tonne, normal sized, with the rest of his range. Coz villain is very rarely going to be betting the river (unless he's spastic).

So I guess KTs could really go anywhere here depending on what you think villains range is and how stupid he is likely to get bluffing on the river.

Fine to x/c
Fine to shove.
Fine to bet normal size

Originally posted by jules97
Dry/wet boards shouldn't effect whether you raise or not from a gto perspective, it's mostly about equity and equity distribution.

His raise from a gto sense probably makes more sense than an exploitative sense. But 3 way, with a fish, can throw GTO out the window.
Don't like the raise, coz the fish is in the blinds and there is no reason to scare him away, exploitatively.

Maybe he also raises QQ-JJ type hands, which would make the spot a little more interesting. In which case, on the river hero could shove some hands like TT and sometimes some Tx, KTs wouldn't be bad a bad hand to do it with sometimes. And hero should probably be betting a tonne, normal sized, with the rest of his range. Coz villain is very rarely going to be betting the river (unless he's spastic).

So I guess KTs could really go anywhere here depending on what you think villains range is and how stupid he is likely to get bluffing on the river.

Fine to x/c
Fine to shove.
Fine to bet normal size

Yes, you are right, I didnt notice there is a fish involved on flop, so yeah doesnt make any sense to raise as value