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NL10 - Should I bet on the river?

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saseca
Joined: 15.11.2009

Hi, this is my first post here.

I have no hands for villain. I am a tight player. My EP raise is 9%.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.20 (102 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $24.24 (242.4 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $12.01 (120.1 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $10.97 (109.7 bb)
MP3: $9.01 (90.1 bb)
CO: $13.33 (133.3 bb)
BTN: $22.50 (225 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A Q
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30, 5 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 9 J A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.16, MP2 calls $1.16

River: ($4.07) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Spoiler

Results: $4.07 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: 9 J A 4 7
Hero showed A Q and won $3.89 ($1.93 net)
MP2 mucked A T and lost (-$1.96 net)

I checked, because I'don't think there are a lot of hands that I beat which would pay. Realistically the only hand I can expect is an AT, if that, and a bad player calling with an Ax from time to time. So I check, but I would have called a bet of up to 60% and this is what got me thinking. If he has a stronger hand he will bet here. Even if it is just an AK I expect him to bet. So if I am going to pay up the 2$ anyway, might as well bet first and fold to a re-raise. I lose the same amount of money, but this way I will get a bit of value out of an AT. Also there aren't a lot of busted draws or flushes to bluff bet on the river.

So what do you think? Am I underestimating the amount of time an AK would check back. Or is my intention of calling a bet on the river wrong and I should just check-fold?

Thank you


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Your reasoning is qualitatively correct. Out of position, you don't need to be a favorite against his complete range. In practice, this involves a lot of guessing about what he does with various holdings if you bet or if you check. All three plays (bet-fold, check-call, check-fold) have the potential of being the best versus a random opponent.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Saseca,

It's true that it's hard to extract three streets from worse. For this reason we can think about checking turn or even flop.

Your comments about river bet - it's not always better to bet in this situations just because we are planning to x/c. The advantage to x/c in some situations is that opponent may bet a bunch of bluffs while he can never call these.

If we did decide to bet the river it should be an underbet here, like $1.10 or something. The best option is likely x/f though hoping that villain checks back.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by w34z3l
Hey Saseca,

It's true that it's hard to extract three streets from worse. For this reason we can think about checking turn or even flop.

Your comments about river bet - it's not always better to bet in this situations just because we are planning to x/c. The advantage to x/c in some situations is that opponent may bet a bunch of bluffs while he can never call these.

If we did decide to bet the river it should be an underbet here, like $1.10 or something. The best option is likely x/f though hoping that villain checks back.

Right. It often happens that b/f than is better than x/c, but a deeper analysis might reveal that x/f is best of all. In all it's a fun guessing game, and is of major importance in FL when you have stats and reads (and the situation is extremely common) _biggrin:


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