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monstro draw on 4bet pot 3way, a little deep

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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €347.05 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.20, 3Bet Preflop: 8.05, Hands: 421)
SB: €249.46 (VPIP: 29.98, PFR: 19.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.22, Hands: 7,397)
BB: €200.00 (VPIP: 23.25, PFR: 17.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.30, Hands: 9,233)
UTG: €61.90 (VPIP: 63.04, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 48)
MP: €410.30 (VPIP: 51.54, PFR: 24.62, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 140)
Hero (CO): €395.90

SB posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has T♣ 3♦ Q♦ A♣

fold, MP raises to €4.00, Hero raises to €15.00, BTN raises to €52.00, fold, fold, MP calls €48.00, Hero calls €37.00

Flop: (€159.00, 3 players) 5♦ J♣ K♣
MP checks, Hero bets €159.00, fold, fold

Hero mucks T♣ 3♦ Q♦ A♣ (High Card, Ace)

Hero wins €315.00

Préflop

well, here I 3bet this good hand ip vs the fisg.

BU 4bet me.
At this time, I just sit tables few hands (10-15 hands maybe) ago and was opraising/3betting almost everything, cause I was rushing preflop and getting bombs.
But maybe BU (good reg i think) thought I was tilted or whatever...

anyway, with MP call (some weakpassive fish = implied, + 3way = good odds now) and my good flopping/nutting hand, I think I can't fold here, even if I have a Axxx and being oop against BU 3better.

If MP had fold, would the call still be correct here ? (with those stacks I would say yes, with 100bb I'm not that sure)

Flop

such a sweety flop :f_confused:

nut wrap 13/13 + NFD + BDFD, 'm ahead most sets and everything, but still drawing

SPR < 2 vs BU, SPR ~2.5 vs MP

would be happy if all go in the middle now for sure.
But don't want to see turns.

That I would like is BU pot it flop, MP eventually make a bad call, and I put them both allin

but I'm not sure that BU would cbet here on that quite scary flop if he's not really big (not sure he would cbet bare AAxx or bare AKxx)
btw, bare AAxx should be technically a cbet in this spot ? (I'd say yes but quite spewy and those spots, so not really sure)

Don't really want to everyone check, and see a turn (I'm drawing, my equity is at the top flop, and decreasing since I'm blanking turns).
Not sure I got lot of implied on flushy turns, as those guys won't be super spewy here with low flush when i put money in it... but with dkbetting here, don't know but maybe some Kxxx + FD or whatever are going to gamble it.
I mean, FD hands would be more active on this drawy flop with low SPR than in locked boards turn and 2PSB in all stacks.

... well i don't know what to do, so just pot it.
Maybe BU would think I'm not donking big made hands here (set/DP), that should more try to c/r here), and gii with AKxx/AAxx or whatever.
Maybe MP should make a terrible call

and after all, even if I flopped monster, I'm still drawing, and it can be bad to make fold here hands that can have 35%+ equity


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

why don't u want to see turns? If you don't think btn cbets i would lead like 60$ here. You have only nut outs, it'd be nice to induce some weaker draws to call.

Regards,

Skod


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

I don't want want to see turn because I'm drawing and my equity is at the top on this flop and will decrease since I don't complete turn

And I think people will more overplay with drawing hands (that I domine) on this drawy flop, than overplay nonut hand on a locked board when I complete and move turn.

I mean, something like K♣: :Qx: x:club: (gs or not) or hands like GS+FD etc... won't fold here flop when I move in.
MP particularry, some strange weak cs fish (that could check because doesn't know what to do, but then think he's too high to fold so will allin)

... well, those kind of hand will often gamble flop when I push them too.
But if I don't move, there'll be a 3x check.

And if I complete some A/Q/T/9, and even more a :club: and move in it, they will fold this kind of hand. Hands I dominate and they would have gamble it flop if I move, but wouldn't move nonut turn when I move in a completed board (ye maybe could bet some 60€ turn on my turn outs or sthg).

... other thing is mentally, that I don't care if I'm loosing (or winning btw) some 60+/40- allin flop.
But this could really make me tilt if I'm playing postturn, missing turns and loosing this pot without pushing somewhere (or pushing turn being behind when my equity had decreased on blanks)


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Well that's a mindset leak :) Keep in mind as well, that if someone has a made hand here he will GO AI on the flop. Doesn't matter if you bet pot or 1/3 pot; but maybe if you bet 1/3 pot some oesd calls and folds turn even if you brick or something. So just bet small otf and ship any turn. Can't make a mistake, and your equity won't drop a lot vs any hand that doesn't ship flop.

Skod


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

hey Skod another question to this hand. What about preflop i remember we talked about gamble with calling cold 4b you think with the "dangler" well its a 3 but anyway with a dangler standard for u because deep?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

this situation is completly different because you are closing the action.

Regards,

Skod


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