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50nl zoom KJo 4bet pot

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asimos
Joined: 22.07.2011

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Villain is 33/27 over 30 hands.
What an average flat 4bet range would be?
Is it a turn shove? Kind of confused here.

SB: $38.67 (77.3 bb)
BB: $55.67 (111.3 bb)
UTG: $79.75 (159.5 bb)
MP: $156 (312 bb)
Hero (CO): $50.50 (101 bb)
BTN: $83.82 (167.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN raises to $3.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8.75, BTN calls $5.50

Flop: ($18.25) 5 8 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $9.93, Hero calls $9.93

Turn: ($38.11) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.28, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$38.11 pot ($1.71 rake)
Final Board: 5 8 J 4
Hero mucked J K and lost (-$18.68 net)
BTN mucked and won $36.40 ($17.72 net)


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webhunky
Joined: 31.03.2010

You should stop overplaying KJo (and OOP) - it's the worst card for squeezing, 4bet bluffing etc.

Personally I would check shove on the flop, this way you don't give opponent good implied odds to draw (you also disguise your hand, wouldn't be surprised if he calls with TT or 99 here), and you win extra money from all the bluffs (which would fold to your continuation bet).


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asimos
Joined: 22.07.2011

Originally posted by webhunky
You should stop overplaying KJo (and OOP) - it's the worst card for squeezing, 4bet bluffing etc.

KJ squeeze is kind of loose - I agree.

Was wondering what is your 4bet strategy on the CO vs btn - 3bet. KJo has 2 blockers and it is the next worse after KQo which normally is a call imo.


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you should lead out on the turn with half pot and fold to a reraise, and decide on the river

but I think you shouldn't be 4 betting unknown players


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

KJo is a pretty standard 4b in this situation. Would be interested to here further explanation from webhunky

X/c generally the best flop line here. We have a decent bluffcatcher but generally x/r is too thin for value. It would just be a huge protection bet etc. Turn is probably fine exploitatively, especially given villain calls a 4b preflop. It can't be that far from a turn call given the price we are getting though.


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webhunky
Joined: 31.03.2010

I'm just talking from my own experience. KJo usually puts me in so many ugly spots, especially OOP. And people in NL25 NL50 Zoom don't fold to 4bets as often as they should, and then it's almost impossible to get them of a hand, once they are in position postflop.

And even if you hit J or K, quite often it cost you even more - a lot players like to flat 4bets IP with QQ, KK, AA.


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dooleslovs
Joined: 17.02.2011

Optimal fold to 4bet is about 30% imo most regs overfold to 4bet thats why KJo might be ok to 4bet exploitavly. If they defand and play post flop ok its too thin.


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

Given villain's sizing I think KJo is a call pre flop, IMHO.

As played, I'm not folding this top pair in a 4bet pot with the info available. I'd bet flop for sure.


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

Trying to learn this 3 betting stuff has opened a new door for me and destroyed my WR


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webhunky
Joined: 31.03.2010

Same for me, bro. Everytime I start playing more aggressive preflop (especially OOP) in these limits, my winrate goes down. There's just not enough weak-tight players and good spots to do that.


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