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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129 BB (VPIP: 18.38, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 10.56, Hands: 2,483)
Hero (SB): 164.75 BB
BB: 344 BB (VPIP: 19.78, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 1.27, Hands: 1,752)
UTG: 146 BB (VPIP: 10.84, PFR: 7.39, 3Bet Preflop: 1.32, Hands: 205)
MP: 191.25 BB (VPIP: 20.55, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 76)
CO: 277.75 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ Q♠

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 13 BB, fold

Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) A♠ 2♣ 6♠
Hero checks, MP bets 29.75 BB, Hero calls 29.75 BB

Turn: (98.5 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (98.5 BB, 2 players) K♣
Hero checks, MP checks

Spoiler

Hero shows K♠ Q♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 50%, Flop 56%, Turn 39%)
MP mucks 4♦ 4♥ (Two Pair, Sixes and Fours)
(Pre 50%, Flop 44%, Turn 61%)
Hero wins 93.75 BB

is it ok to cc as default with draws that have showdown, and bet non showdown? because with e.g. this hand, I think it is ok to keep his weak hands in, even such as PP, since my hand is flip against it, and if he shuts down, and I dont improve, I can still bluff him on river and it looks as Ax, QQ, KK?

If I hit flush, should I donk? in general when i hit flush, should I donk flushes vs villian who is not going to bluff very often? off course problem with range protection, but anyway if villian doesnt bluff often, then who cares.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

UTG is huge nit (10/7 over decent sample) so I think squeezing is a mistake here.

I would just bet flop myself. MP flatting vs UTG then vs sqz is likely AQ+/PP. Due to card removal of our hand KQ and flop A, its a lot more likely he has PP than AK/AQ, and I don't think pp will float even one street on Axx flop after such a big squeeze. Even though we have good equity vs PP, rather just get them to fold than play guessing game on turn and river.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by metza
UTG is huge nit (10/7 over decent sample) so I think squeezing is a mistake here.

I would just bet flop myself. MP flatting vs UTG then vs sqz is likely AQ+/PP. Due to card removal of our hand KQ and flop A, its a lot more likely he has PP than AK/AQ, and I don't think pp will float even one street on Axx flop after such a big squeeze. Even though we have good equity vs PP, rather just get them to fold than play guessing game on turn and river.

I agree about sqeeze, didnt notice he is so tight.
If you think that PP are not floating at all (I dont agree, I think it is pure assumption), but even if you are correct, if he checks 100% of time with PP on flop, we get free card, and can bluff him on turn or river. So vs PP that give up vs any action and dont try to bluff, we win the hand anyway, unless he hits set, but that rare.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You win the hand only if you hit... :)


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
You win the hand only if you hit... :)

even if so, I have a lot of equity vs his range. Also it is not as you say that I win only if hit. if villian is very nitty (betting AJ, AQ and folding vs turn raise) I can shove turn, if he is very agro (bet folding PP and stuff), cr turn will be nice EV. IF he is checking flop with high % (passive), then I can often take the pot on turn or river unimproved. If he bets flop, and checks turn with high %, then I can take the pot on river.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by mlatasrb
I agree about sqeeze, didnt notice he is so tight.
If you think that PP are not floating at all (I dont agree, I think it is pure assumption), but even if you are correct, if he checks 100% of time with PP on flop, we get free card, and can bluff him on turn or river. So vs PP that give up vs any action and dont try to bluff, we win the hand anyway, unless he hits set, but that rare.

This.....


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Ok, you opponent is a lag. They like to bluff, they like to raise.

He called a bet from tight UTG raiser and called a big squeeze from you.
I put him on pp, some weak ace and a few sc there.

What you said was good, you can call his bluffs and bluff river unimproved if he shuts down.
I think it is well played hand.

Do you fold turn if he fires a second barrel?
Do you call river if he checks turn, but bet otr?


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Do you fold turn if he fires a second barrel?

depends on the size. if I have enough pot odds and if I think that I beat enough bluffs I call. But I think that 2nd barrel on this board is heavily weighted towards value, so I would fold turn (which means that he would check either with high% on flop or turn). If he bets river as played, I would fold, again I think that he is weighted towards Ax, and will check because of that with high %.


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