Preflop decision with QQ

You are most likely up against AK from my sample size, and it makes some sort of sense (besides, the A comes on the river when you call them).

Why would AA/KK try to scare you off?

Call.

did you call and run into AA

call , hes not fully stacked, more likely a fish, if he has AA or KK its fine

Yup, that guy had KK and hit a set otf. 2nd time today I see when people shoves pre or otf with monster hand. What is idea behind it? How those guys expect to get called by worse when whey shove? Rather choose slowplay (which is very bad, but 100x better option than shoving and don't get paid.)

I think that we can't realy turn QQ into a bluff there. If we decide to 3bet, then we have to call a shove, especially vs fish.

Do you normally make 4x 3 bets?

AK is not shoving vs big 3 bet.

Against this raise size I think we should make 3bet something arround 3,5x. Hero's bet size is a bit too big probably, but nothing wrong with it, I would say.

Originally posted by Limpuls
What is idea behind it? How those guys expect to get called by worse when whey shove?

seems to have worked this time (apparently the big overbet doesn't have to work all that often, I read that somewhere)

This is also a fault of mine, the shorter they are the more likely I am to pay them off.
The cure might be to play short and just open shove and see how many calls you get

Shoving actually sometimes looks weaker than making it regular side.

Originally posted by Alleen86
Against this raise size I think we should make 3bet something arround 3,5x. Hero's bet size is a bit too big probably, but nothing wrong with it, I would say.

You make it 4x too, in a hand posted today.

15/11player is solid rock. Even for that sample size. I would not 3 bet my normal range vs him.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Alleen86
Against this raise size I think we should make 3bet something arround 3,5x. Hero's bet size is a bit too big probably, but nothing wrong with it, I would say.

You make it 4x too, in a hand posted today.

I make 4x oop against a minraise. Against 3 bb's, I make 3,3x. In position I make 3x against a minraise and 2,6x against 3 bb's.

I make 3x IP and 4x OOP. Is that bad? 3bet for 3.5x OOP is better?

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think that we can't realy turn QQ into a bluff there. If we decide to 3bet, then we have to call a shove, especially vs fish.

What do you mean by "we can't really turn QQ into a bluff there"? I didn't turn it. Do you mean that 3bet is bad? I always 3bet JJ-AA from the blinds against BTN open and sometimes CO.

Originally posted by Limpuls

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think that we can't realy turn QQ into a bluff there. If we decide to 3bet, then we have to call a shove, especially vs fish.

What do you mean by "we can't really turn QQ into a bluff there"? I didn't turn it. Do you mean that 3bet is bad? I always 3bet JJ-AA from the blinds against BTN open and sometimes CO.

I ment that we can't 3bet QQ for value and then fold to 4bet.

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Alleen86
Against this raise size I think we should make 3bet something arround 3,5x. Hero's bet size is a bit too big probably, but nothing wrong with it, I would say.

You make it 4x too, in a hand posted today.

I make 4x oop against a minraise. Against 3 bb's, I make 3,3x. In position I make 3x against a minraise and 2,6x against 3 bb's.

And now you say it is ok to make it 3.5 .

Originally posted by Limpuls

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think that we can't realy turn QQ into a bluff there. If we decide to 3bet, then we have to call a shove, especially vs fish.

What do you mean by "we can't really turn QQ into a bluff there"? I didn't turn it. Do you mean that 3bet is bad? I always 3bet JJ-AA from the blinds against BTN open and sometimes CO.

Just call preflop vs rocky players.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Alleen86
Against this raise size I think we should make 3bet something arround 3,5x. Hero's bet size is a bit too big probably, but nothing wrong with it, I would say.

You make it 4x too, in a hand posted today.

I make 4x oop against a minraise. Against 3 bb's, I make 3,3x. In position I make 3x against a minraise and 2,6x against 3 bb's.

And now you say it is ok to make it 3.5 .

His open size was 2,5bb's so I think that a 3,5x 3bet is the best.