Iso raise with 99 from SB or not?

I noticed they all have pretty short stacks (one of them has barely over 10bb), I would say there's no need to build a pot , theyre gonna get all the stacks on the board anyway if catched the flop even remotely. Theres the other side of the coin - you already have made hand, u dont wanna villains to improve. We can assume they are all weak players, best choice is to raise big (about .24) and call every ship in order to catch pretty-looking hands (like KJs), weaker made hands and spews (fairly common at micro stakes)

i just complete here

With all these half stackers I would complete too.

i think if we iso and get reraised we might have to get it in vs a shorty

probably start iso with TT here

The other thing is that we might be mw, so just completing is better.

What's the point of completing? To see a Txx flop so that a random T7s now beats us? - very likely in a 4-way pot - (and same story with a J,Q,K or A on the flop)
Rewards are also not good if we are completing for set value...

You are clearly ahead from CO and BU range, they obviously don't have TT+ or else they'd have raised themselves preflop. They are clearly holding some speculative hand but they still have equity against you, so you raise to protect your hand. Against UTG, yeah he might have AA but also 72, he seems like a fish to me and I wouldn't mind playing for stacks with 99 against him

And last but not least, just taking this pot preflop is also a great result for you. Winnings without risk!

Preflop is not "game within a game". It's connected to the river.

IF your opponents will call with any piece of the board - raise to build that pot and bet bet bet (probably fold if raised or two overcards come).

IF your opponents are on a passive side - raise to build that pot and bet to get folds without looking at the board.

IF your opponents are agressive - limp and (if improved) call all bets and jam river.

Simple as that on those stakes.

To get proper sizing - look on their play. Sometimes 5bb is too much, sometimes 8bb is too little. Depends on daytime, players and site.

Didn't want to sound like "know it all", just from my experience playing LOTS of micros i came to conclusion that KEEP IT STUPID SIMPLE works best here.

well its certainly ok to raise and ship it, but what actually sucks is when you raise, everyone calls and the flop comes with overcards (which happens over half the time) and then you are out of position playing a big pot with fkn pair of nines with no idea how your opponents are playing their random garbage range. i definitely see the argument for raising but i'm too bad of a player to do it

Originally posted by Tomaloc
well its certainly ok to raise and ship it, but what actually sucks is when you raise, everyone calls and the flop comes with overcards (which happens over half the time) and then you are out of position playing a big pot with fkn pair of nines with no idea how your opponents are playing their random garbage range. i definitely see the argument for raising but i'm too bad of a player to do it

Well, then raise directly to 11-12 BBs in an attempt to isolate against UTG and to make the other 2 fold. If everyone calls we are playing bingo, but it's profitable in the long run for us anyway

We're not playing for informations but for money. UTG has 0,54 ffs! Your afraid of shiping with 99 against him beceasu he might have a monster? Good like with that. Furthermore rest of them (CO, BTN) certainly dont have better hands than 99 if they have limped. To sum up, if your sure about the fact that you have pretty sure the strongest hand, it's rather obvious, raising in that situation is better choice unless you wanna let them improve 'cos your tired of winning.

yeah but depending on who calls it's really hard to play our hand optimally being oop. i definitely don't think the line is bad though

yeah we still just have to check fold a bunch after putting even more money in the pot

Originally posted by Berezovaya
We're not playing for informations but for money. UTG has 0,54 ffs! Your afraid of shiping with 99 against him beceasu he might have a monster? Good like with that. Furthermore rest of them (CO, BTN) certainly dont have better hands than 99 if they have limped. To sum up, if your sure about the fact that you have pretty sure the strongest hand, it's rather obvious, raising in that situation is better choice unless you wanna let them improve 'cos your tired of winning.

Hi, Berezovaya,
After re-reading my OP, I saw this:

Too large, and you either get the blinds and dead money, or get overshoved by (usually) better hands.

I thought: What's wrong with picking up the dead money?
The problem is the trappers, and the people that call any Ax hands.
One is OK -- 64% equity.
Oh my. vs 2 Ax hands we're still ahead.

       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    20.05%  16.91%   3.15% { A2s+, A2o+ }
MP3    20.05%  16.91%   3.15% { A2s+, A2o+ }
CO     59.89%  59.70%   0.19% { 99 }

I find that a bit surprising.

So with vs a whack of short-stacked pre-flop limp monkeys it is bet at least enough to cause them to commit their stack and be done with it. There is no post-flop play to make other than shoving anyway.

So about 1/2 the shortest stack should do it, I think.

Thanks, all.

Here is the entire hand:

Afterwards, I though, How could I have prevented this?

Cheers,
VS

Why prevent this? You put all money in while you are ahead. ..

Originally posted by nitrol
Why prevent this? You put all money in while you are ahead. ..

Exactly. There is a difference when the effective stack is 50 BB and when it is 100 BB though.
With higher effective stacks, there is room to manoeuvre post-flop.

Here, let's just get it in.

Cheers,
VS

Would you post this hand if he didn't hit his straight?

You can just shove preflop with those stack sizes. I really don't like completing because you have the best hand preflop pretty much always and with completing you basically throw this advantage away. Iso is fine but I prefer to shove and avoid multiway oop. That way we stack UTG often and sometimes the other two fish will call dominated hands too.

Our hand looses equity when the others join...

I don´t think we have enough FEQ PF and our hand will be difficult to play OOP often MW. Also we cannot simply exclude some strong hands from their ranges - look at CO stats, and we have no idea what other players limping. So I prefer just complete and play small pot.