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StVatle
Joined: 24.11.2014

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 118 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 20)
CO: 245 BB (VPIP: 24.02, PFR: 15.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.06, Hands: 184)
BTN: 120 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 40)
Hero (BB): 175.4 BB
UTG: 56.8 BB (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♠ 5♣

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) 6♣ T♣ 5♥
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN raises to 13.4 BB, Hero raises to 35.8 BB, BTN raises to 117 BB and is all-in

Should I fold the bottom set here?
And should I just go all-in to his first re-raise?


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I would call here. Not a lot of info to go off with only 12 hands recorded for BTN. But I think he's either got a flush draw or an overpair. So, yeah, I would call.


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Only 6 possible hands hold sets that beat you.

JJ+ overplayed overpairs is 24 combos, aks, kqs, aqs, ajs, a5s can all find easy shoves here for another combo each.

So 6 possible shoves beat you and 29 more are behind.

Thats not to say villain shoves so many of his overs or draws. But no way am i ever folding the set here.

Your flop 3bet is OK if a little small. Its about an effective 20bb raise in an effective 33bb pot. To punish a possible call from FD you should bet bigger - especially as your hand is a tough fold if the 3rd club hits.

I love the donk as it puts Tx and JJ into your range here and encourages the villain to raise big overs for value.


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StVatle
Joined: 24.11.2014

I called, and he showed 8c7c. He was holding a monster draw, and hits his 9 on the river :/
Should you play monster draws like this, just raise and hope the villain is folding?


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

You can shove monster draws very easily for bluff value. You are in front of overpairs that dont block your FD and can fold many of them with huge flop strength.

As the open raiser facing flop aggression from callers though, i expect to run into sets or even Ax semibluffed fd more often. So the villain overplayed his hand here for no good reasons at all. Better to call your flop raise and evaluate turn.


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xxnub
Joined: 04.12.2007

I would just ship here and never look back because so many hands will pay you of that are way behind you. I would play monster draw like this to set up my opponent to pay my set or 2 pair next time :-)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No way we are folding here.
Well played. Raise and 3 bet bigger.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

This is a call. Note, this is precisely what you are trying to induce when donking strong hands. People will misread you and reraise with their bluff catchers.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

One thing. You can donk bigger. This will be misread often too. Inverted logic has it that your big bet looks weak, and the poor sods applying inverted logic will even more furiously attack with weak hands.


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Originally posted by YohanN7
This is a call. Note, this is precisely what you are trying to induce when donking strong hands. People will misread you and reraise with their bluff catchers.

+1. I feel the thumbs up feature doesn't emphasise enough just how +1 here. All of this, all of the time.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by StVatle
I called, and he showed 8c7c. He was holding a monster draw, and hits his 9 on the river :/
Should you play monster draws like this, just raise and hope the villain is folding?

Monster draws have really good equity, and are often the favorites (even without a made hand yet). So, he is right to put it in in this situation.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I m not folding a set here.
Bet, raise it bigger, and call it proudly _thumbsup:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by StVatle
I called, and he showed 8c7c. He was holding a monster draw, and hits his 9 on the river :/
Should you play monster draws like this, just raise and hope the villain is folding?

With a monster draw 12+ outs, you can go AI on flop as you have around 50%+ equity with 2 cards to come.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Easy call here. Villain can overplay overpairs and he can have strong draws here, not only higher sets. WP.


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