Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

Going for x/shove ott instead of bet/bet or bet/call

7 Posts
5 Users
0 Reactions
386 Views
marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $10.13 (101.3 bb)
BB: $19.92 (199.2 bb)
UTG: $9.82 (98.2 bb)
MP: $27.96 (279.6 bb)
CO: $14.19 (141.9 bb)
BTN: $6.96 (69.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J♦: J♠:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, MP calls $0.90, BTN folds

Flop: ($2.80) 5♦: A♥: J♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.60) 5♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.20, Hero raises to $7.53, MP calls $5.33

River: ($20.66) 7♦: (2 players)

BTN is a fish.

MP is 21/11 over 22 hands.

Preflop and flop play should be "standard".

Turn:
We hit the nuts(almost always nuts here unless super bad beat) on the turn. I think that if we bet the turn we get calls from flushes and some hands like :Ax: :heart:. By betting the turn he will most likely fold all his TP hands with no hearts.

So by check/shoving he can still bet those TP hands with no hearts/even sometimes some Jx for "protection" and we can get some extra value from those hands + same amount of value from other hands. Also we become more unpredictable by having x/shove range here so they can't just be betting the turn always when we take b/x line.

What do you guys think about x/shove here instead of bet/bet or bet/call?


Reply
Quote
6 replies
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If it worked, it is ok. :)


Reply
Quote
Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

We don't have to squeeze 100% preflop, but it's fine to squeeze imo. I don't hate check/shove, but I don't expect him to call anything less than a flush and maybe not even flush on paired board vs such a strong move, so I believe we will get more value from flushes, trips, Ax etc. by betting the turn and river.


Reply
Quote
Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

If you think villain is aggressive, then it is indeed OK to do an x/r here. However, bet, bet, bet is also fine as opponents are more likely to call you off here with TP or 2p.


Reply
Quote
YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Check-raising nut hands has less value than people think, especially on the river. So many things need to go well for it to succeed, and the fact that he bets when you check is itself far from enough to call it a success.


Reply
Quote
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

But we are on turn here.


Reply
Quote
YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Sorry, yes, we are. I'd say we got lucky here and got paid in full. To gain something from a check-raise, we need to be sure he bets, and bets pretty big. He also needs to call a sizeable raise. It can very well be that he'd call a pot-sized bet, but when checked to will only bet 0.5x, and fold to a raise. These are the primary things to consider when contemplating check-raising for value. It is almost NEVER profitable to do it for value out-of-sequence (we have initiative), like here.


Reply
Quote