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OTR flush hit vs overpair

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Guthans
Joined: 16.12.2009

Hey again :f_ugly:
This hand is an unknown villain who we raise up, get called OTF & OTT only to get overshoved OTR when the flush hits, do we call or do we fold?
I have a really hard time finding folds in these spots so to hear somebody elses opinion of them really helps, either way.

Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 6 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37647915

BTN: 4,059 (81.2 bb)
SB: 1,261 (25.2 bb)
BB: 2,973 (59.5 bb)
UTG+1: 4,700 (94 bb)
UTG+2: 6,508 (130.2 bb)
MP1: 3,682 (73.6 bb)
Hero (MP2): 4,764 (95.3 bb)
MP3: 10,743 (214.9 bb)
CO: 4,008 (80.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A♥ A♣
3 folds, Hero raises to 133, 2 folds, BTN calls 133, 2 folds

Flop: (395) 7♦ T♦ 4♥ (2 players)
Hero bets 241, BTN calls 241

Turn: (877) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero bets 535, BTN calls 535

River: (1,947) K♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 3,144 and is all-in, Hero folds


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Kinghu
Joined: 27.09.2016

I find that in these lower buy in's in the early stages, when someone over shoves the river like this its because they have the nuts.

I have called these in the past thinking they were big bluffs, from poor players wanting to push me off the hand, but mostly it is because they want to get paid, and I got busted out.

In the early stages it is something that I have started doing, and you'd be surprised how often you are called, its something that shouldn't be +ve but certainly is.

Like when you flop a full house, Check back the flop and turn and shove on the river, you'll be called with things like middle pair because they thought you had nothing and shoved a big bluff. My giving them 2 free cards you give them a chance to make a top pair/middle pair hand that they can talk themselves into calling your bluff with, or play normal and with nuts just shove the river.

Try it sometime and you will be surprised.


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Okkernootje
Joined: 02.09.2013

Like your line, wp.
Readless,... I don't see a lot of hands we beat that would justify his play.


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samni
Joined: 06.08.2009

There is not one hand that justifies his play here, he tries to be polarising but a onepair hand should never really be calling the river here. We also don't block anything so a fold is perfectly fine here. I would bet the river here for value though to get value from some onepair hands that want to pay off, when you get raised, you can be dead sure he isn't bluffing here ever and you can fold and be happy about it. I can understand why something in your mind still believes he's bluffing here but that is caused because you checked river here.


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Guthans
Joined: 16.12.2009

@Kinghu
Yeah, I have surely called off shit like this before and gotten busted. I'll be sure to try that line out when I get a chance, it'll be fun to see what happens!

@Okkernootje
Thanks alot. I don't either. Hurts though :f_cry:

@Samni
Thanks alot for the analysis. You kinda nailed it I feel like. When I check to him I'm really asking him to rep the flush and turn his whole range into a bluffshove.
I'll be betting on the smaller side and folding to a reshove in the future. With that line we'll be making the bluffshove very doubtful and should get a more honest response from the villain.


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